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Post by Dan on Jun 23, 2008 20:28:41 GMT -5
i can be a mod if some one is needed, willing to help.
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 20:31:03 GMT -5
Ideally I think there should be one main commish. Someone that can run things and sim 3-4 times a week. if Josh stays on, and I hope he does, then it'd be nice to see Josh sim 2 times a week and whoever the new commish is to sim 2 times a week.
I think there needs to be someone in charge of hiring and firing. This means talking to new applicants and charting posts, exports and PMing those who arent active.
I think there needs to be one person to set up and maintain the MB and perhaps help with rewards.
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masej
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Post by masej on Jun 23, 2008 20:32:25 GMT -5
honestly matt, you are acting like a teenager with your comments. Its rediculous. spence is a good guy and just trying to help. you dont need to be such a baby about this
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 20:34:58 GMT -5
Matt, nothing concrete has been discussed, and your attitude is already completely negative. I know your alliances lie with Josh and Bob, and thats awesome, they're great guys. But you can actually like new ideas and be in favor of them without it meaning you arent supporting your friends. Again, negative attitude for stating my opinion and why I wouldn't like it? Guess i have a negative attitude in everything I've ever done in my life...then again it's never been pointed out since now. Thanks for this life changing discussion. This is almost funny. The fact that you're making such a huge deal out of this means its being taken negatively.
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 20:36:17 GMT -5
Matt, nothing concrete has been discussed, and your attitude is already completely negative. I know your alliances lie with Josh and Bob, and thats awesome, they're great guys. But you can actually like new ideas and be in favor of them without it meaning you arent supporting your friends. Again, negative attitude for stating my opinion and why I wouldn't like it? Guess i have a negative attitude in everything I've ever done in my life...then again it's never been pointed out since now. Thanks for this life changing discussion. Also, its really annoying that you continually bring up that this discussion reminds you of fighting with teenagers. If you have a problem with someone, then discuss it, dont demean them by saying theyre immature.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 20:37:47 GMT -5
I think Spencer has some excellent ideas to boost activity. I personally feel something like this needs to be done just to get this league back on track in terms of active GMs. I know most people agree with this, but there are a few naysayers. We haven't even heard from a good part of the league, however; this shows a prime example of when we need active posters. Anyways, we cannot hold back on ideas simply because a few people disagree. As Spencer said, we need to act on this now, because if we wait until the offseason, next season will never start. Reds Matt (too many Matts) and I were talking about putting up a preliminary poll just to see how many people wanted some kind of rewards system for posting. However, is this really necessary anymore? I know the Matts are against it, but I feel the general consensus is something needs to be done. I don't think we can give anything too big for posting, but what if it was like 100k for 100 posts and 200k for 200 posts or something simple like that? Export idea is not bad either. But the point is, these changes need to be brought about soon so that the offseason can be run smoothly.
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 20:39:31 GMT -5
I also think its pretty short sighted to not wonder aloud here about the effort to increase activity. BBS is a prime example. The Rewards promote activity. Activity means people are on the boards more, which automatically promotes trading and trade/league discussion. BBS almost always has 3-5 people on the boards. Most OOTP leagues have 1 or 2 GMs on at any time, and it takes up to 2 or 3 days to get a PM back from many of them.
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 20:40:13 GMT -5
DONT FEAR CHANGE!
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 20:43:28 GMT -5
And as mentioned previously, I am more than willing to take over simming duties. I have looked fairly extensively into it, and I feel it is something I will be able to easily and quickly learn. Cards Matt keeps saying we are being too hard on Bob and Josh because they have jobs and a life...Yes, they do. We're not saying this league is more important than those. But if you don't have time to be commish, then don't be commish. I am one of Cards Matt's mouthy college students and I have plenty of time to sim and whatever else is necessary to make this league thrive. I have been in close contact with Reds Matt and he has also shown interest in simming.
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Post by donatello2424 on Jun 23, 2008 20:47:00 GMT -5
I do think that a change will be good. If there are people willing to step up and sim then let them sim.
In terms fo the rewards I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. The post total thing is a good idea, but some people just post about the league and results, then some post in off-topic about random things.
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 20:50:09 GMT -5
I do think that a change will be good. If there are people willing to step up and sim then let them sim. In terms fo the rewards I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. The post total thing is a good idea, but some people just post about the league and results, then some post in off-topic about random things. It takes awhile, but eventually its a good thing. I think its worth a shot.
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 21:03:57 GMT -5
I think that if Steve is committed to simming, he and Josh would be an awesome duo. I think individual reward ideas should be discussed in length. I also think along with 2 simmers there should be an AL and NL commish that have responsibilities.
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2008 21:59:20 GMT -5
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2008 22:11:00 GMT -5
Here's my opinion on the whole matter:
Promoting activity is a great idea and anyone who thinks otherwise likely hasn't been apart of a league that promotes activity. It does absolutely nothing to hurt a league, it only helps it. Matt, you're being negative towards activity based upgrades, and I really think it's because you haven't ever been apart of it (maybe you have been to some extent, but I'll guarantee that you have not been to the extent that those of us in BBS have been). It makes the league fun. Right now, honestly, the league is a bore. OOTP is great but simply simming is not going to get an active league going. For those of you in BBS, it was just proven while Spence was gone. Andy did a great job simming (constantly) but it wasn't the same BBS because it was just check our box scores, post on our box scores, linger on the site, sign out. It was eerily like BBSBL and it was boring. BBS isn't active entirely because of Spence's presence, but a huge percentage of it is him being there. It really is. We don't have that type of presence in BBSBL (Josh and Bob are great guys but they are not it, and that is not a knock), so we need to do other things to keep it interesting. Rewarding posting/activity/exports etc is a start, and will keep people coming to the site more often than they have been.
Matt, I think part of the reason that you're being hit with such negative responses (aside from the fact that your own responses are pretty clearly laced with negativity of their own) is because you're arguing against something that, to my knowledge, you've never been apart of. Worse off, you're arguing against people who HAVE been apart of it, and seen a league under these settings thrive. Is it guaranteed to work? I guess it isn't, but it is definitely worth trying. If the league is going to be overhauled then simply changing the simmer/commish/whoever is not going to get enough done.
As for you saying that you'll burn 20 minutes posting nonsense and get your 200 posts, fine, that's great. What you'll quickly realize is that your idea of post padding isn't actual post padding, at least under these conditions. Someone else will be on the forum and they will respond to you. Then others will sign on. People will linger, and come to the boards when they have nothing to do because there are rewards to it. With that, more trade talk is inevitable as well as a larger sense of caring in your own team. The more active a league is, to me, the more you care. Maybe you're different and that is fine, but I've been in leagues with probably 25 or so guys here and I know where they've thrived and where they haven't. Being around the boards is nothing but a great thing. Yeah, there will be post padding, but so what? Is excessive post padding such a bad thing if it is only a byproduct of additional league activity (the aforementioned inevitable trades, trade talk, etc)? I don't think it is, and I think it is worth doing for sure. Since a couple of active GMs (STL, CIN) are leery of activity rewards then it is worth making them rather small to begin with, but it is still something to do.
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2008 22:14:57 GMT -5
One other idea that is probably going to be hit with a lot of negativity (and not one that I really care that much about, just throwing it out there) is re-starting. Personally, I absolutely love my core and would hate to lose it. But to my knowledge, the new, free OOTP is compatible with Macs. If that is the case then that is another thing that would really promote activity, as the ability to check OOTP for those of us on Macs would really make it more interesting/fun. But again, I know people want to keep their cores and that is fine. Just something to consider (if I'm even right about the free version now being compatible with a Mac).
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masej
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Post by masej on Jun 23, 2008 22:19:09 GMT -5
that would be sick for mac users....
also added bonus... my team wont suck for the next 10 years
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2008 22:20:32 GMT -5
If you were still the GM, it would no doubt continue to suck. You're awful.
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masej
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Post by masej on Jun 23, 2008 22:21:09 GMT -5
nah dude.... im making a no trade clause... like dont trade... ill be fine
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Post by Spencer on Jun 23, 2008 22:22:44 GMT -5
I dont have another version of OOTP and I love OOTP 5 for its relative ease to use. Saying this, Id change if the league would be better of for it. We do have lots of mac users.
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2008 22:23:04 GMT -5
And then deal your best prospect for PK's cousin.
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2008 22:23:54 GMT -5
See, I just posted a few times! I like posting! Time for bed. Fucking shit.
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masej
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Post by masej on Jun 23, 2008 22:25:04 GMT -5
hahahhahha. love this kid.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 22:29:01 GMT -5
Mark makes some very solid points in his arguments. Any kind of posting breeds activity.
As for starting completely over, I would be afraid that would drive some people away. That being said, it may be nice to take a deep breath, pick an earlier year, and go with it. And it could feasibly increase interest, as Mark said, if Mac users could use the game.
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Post by Nanz on Jun 23, 2008 22:43:15 GMT -5
Il be happy with re-starting the league once i win it all.
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tj
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Post by tj on Jun 23, 2008 22:52:08 GMT -5
i'd be happy either way.
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