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Post by aaronjh on Jun 22, 2008 23:56:54 GMT -5
I think the league would be much better if we had better organization/communaction across the board. I don't want to explain why because there's no need for to complain about the way things have been--I just think there's potential to have more consistency if we spread out the responsibilities. Basically, I'm just going to outline a few ideas I have to improve the league. Obviously, anything is open to discussion.
1. Hire a backup simmer.
-Josh and Bob are obviously both busy guys and on some nights, the real world interferes with their ability to sim. It's not a problem. I'm not saying either guy should be removed. All I'm proposing is that we take one of the more active GMs, show him the ropes and if Josh/Bob say they can't make a sim, this guy could fill in and sim that night. Or, even, we could return to the four sims a week format that the league thrived under; the backup simmer could also take on responsibility to sim once (or more) a week. I don't want a power struggle or anything, but I know in sims that the more we sim, the more active we get, and this league was definitely more active with four sims per week.
A guy like Steve comes to mind to fill in and sim. I've heard he's willing and interested. I think if the league takes a vote and most guys are in favor of a backup simmer or a fourth sim each week, we put it into effect immediately.
2. Hire a GM recruiter
-We have inactive guys we can replace, and there are guys on the waiting list who have either been ignored or just haven't been acknowledged yet. Either way, if we get new blood in here, the league will be more active. No need for dead weight when more active GMs want to step in and revive a franchise. Fernando took charge and hired the Reds GM, right? Well, maybe he can be in charge of adding/replacing GMs.
3. Advertise the league!
Let's start linking to BBSBL on BBS, UOSL, GABL...any kind of active sim league. We are at a really exciting time since we have modern day players, and we have a really active core. If we could add 4-5 guys to that core, we'd be golden.
What do you guys think? Any other ideas? Basically, we need to take some of the burden off Josh and Bob and get some more order around here, in my opinion. Hope we can make it work.
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Post by Nanz on Jun 23, 2008 0:01:50 GMT -5
1. We could definitely use another simmer. Josh and Bob have been great in taking over the league but with some of the guys we have there is no reason why we shouldn't add another simmer. Like Aaron said, Steve i heard has been interested and so has Matt, so we have 2 candidates who are very capable of this.
2. Yes. I can be the guy in charge of looking and hiring new GMs. I know peter is gonna post saying he wants this but NO. ITS MINE.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2008 0:18:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's a good idea to have three guys simming. It's either you're designated a commish/co-commish, you sim, and that it's it.
I think we should be able to have two guys that can consistently get the file out and the HTML uploaded. I've simmed quite a few times and uploaded it to a league site. I understand it's time consuming and you need quite a bit of patience, but if you're a commish then you should make time and if you can't, something needs to change.
I agree that simming 4 days a week will increase league activity.
Also, Fernando, get in touch with my friend that signed up for the Cleveland opening. His post has been up there for a few days and he hasn't been contacted by Josh or Bob.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 0:25:24 GMT -5
I don't think it's a good idea to have three guys simming. It's either you're designated a commish/co-commish, you sim, and that it's it. I think we should be able to have two guys that can consistently get the file out and the HTML uploaded. I've simmed quite a few times and uploaded it to a league site. I understand it's time consuming and you need quite a bit of patience, but if you're a commish then you should make time and if you can't, something needs to change. I agree that simming 4 days a week will increase league activity. Also, Fernando, get in touch with my friend that signed up for the Cleveland opening. His post has been up there for a few days and he hasn't been contacted by Josh or Bob. Well, would you rather what we have? 3 sims a week at best with the likelihood of delays? Or we could have a backup simmer doing sims when Josh/Bob can't and also simming a fourth sim each week.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 0:31:51 GMT -5
I know that Josh and Bob obviously lead active and busy lives. This has been repeated a few times. However, I continuously find myself expressing my displeasure to the same guys at around midnight on sim nights. This league needs consistency, and unfortunately this is not something that Bob and Josh have been providing recently. Again, we know they are very busy, but I am worried about the direction of this league.
Aaron has provided some outstanding ideas to help propel this league forward. The last thing I want to do is create any sort of power struggle. However, somehow Aaron and Nanz have both heard, I'm guessing through Peter, that I am very willing to sim. I have already looked into it and it does not appear overly difficult. I have plenty of free time and would provide consistency to the simming schedule so there will be no doubt when the sim will arrive. I would likely even be able to provide the 4th sim that we all want. I am willing to do whatever the league decides, I just want this league to move forward rather than halter to a stop.
Good idea for Nanz to take over human resources. We've had to force too many active GM's to wait to replace inactive ones.
I guess that's about it, it'll be interesting to see what everyone has to say.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 0:34:52 GMT -5
Well, if Steve's willing to sim four nights a week and can offer that kind of consistency, there's no reason why he shouldn't at least become a co-simmer. Thanks for stepping up, Steve. Hopefully you and Josh/Bob can arrange a way for you to step in taking over at least some simming duties. Looks promising.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 0:37:10 GMT -5
I don't think CJ, Galo, Michael Fusco or Vernon would mind if we replaced them. It'd be nice to get some guys who post and trade.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2008 0:39:30 GMT -5
I don't think it's a good idea to have three guys simming. It's either you're designated a commish/co-commish, you sim, and that it's it. I think we should be able to have two guys that can consistently get the file out and the HTML uploaded. I've simmed quite a few times and uploaded it to a league site. I understand it's time consuming and you need quite a bit of patience, but if you're a commish then you should make time and if you can't, something needs to change. I agree that simming 4 days a week will increase league activity. Also, Fernando, get in touch with my friend that signed up for the Cleveland opening. His post has been up there for a few days and he hasn't been contacted by Josh or Bob. Well, would you rather what we have? 3 sims a week at best with the likelihood of delays? Or we could have a backup simmer doing sims when Josh/Bob can't and also simming a fourth sim each week. I think it's important to have guy/s that are on time and consistent with there sims. Like others have already said, I don't want to have a power struggle, but consistent sim times breeds owner activity, and I'd like to see that here. That's why I'd like to help sim. Honestly though, I am more worried that if the league votes to have a 'back-up simmer', we won't see much of Bob or Josh.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 0:46:30 GMT -5
I don't think CJ, Galo, Michael Fusco or Vernon would mind if we replaced them. It'd be nice to get some guys who post and trade. CJ's pretty active. Galo's not too bad. I haven't seen any sign of Fusco. And Vernon's gone.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 0:48:55 GMT -5
CJ said to me he doesn't pay much attention to the league. That's the only reason I thought of him.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 0:55:35 GMT -5
Hmm yeah I guess that's a pretty good reason.
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Post by PB on Jun 23, 2008 0:56:09 GMT -5
I agree with what all of you are saying. Recently activity in this league has been awful and sims have not been posted on a consistent basis. Like everyone has said, I'm not out here to fuel a power struggle but with the busy schedules Bob and Josh have, I see no problem in having a backup simmer (like Steve). As long as Steve would be in contact with either Josh/Bob and they knew he would be simming on their designated day, there shouldn't be a problem. Also having a backup simmer would give other GMs (like Steve or Matt) more exp simming and make a transition much easier IF Bob or Josh ever decided to step down.
Regarding activity, we should establish some sort of standard that all GMs should abide to. I think it is fair to say that GMs that fail to log on to the website at least once a week on a regular basis should be fired and replaced. Also just a thought, does anyone think there should some sort of reward system for being active, like there is BBS Basketball? Aaron isn't it true that in BBS you are rewarded development points for having a certain amount of posts? I'm not saying it has to be development points that are rewarded but maybe cash or a boost in fan interest? Just an idea.
As far as looking for GMs, I don't think that role has to be given to one guy. For the sake of the league we all should be looking out for prospective GMs and promoting it to other friends of ours. Fernando could be the final guy a new GM goes through before being accepted and I could monitor league activity.
And I agree with 4 sims a week. If people are concerned that the season would go too quickly then we can just reduce the amount of games completed per sim.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 1:00:38 GMT -5
Posts aren't always a mark of activity. For some it is...look at Vernon. As for others...Tyler is extremely active, he just doesn't post a ton. Plus someone could go and make useless posts like me putting "it's hard to get it down". Should I really be rewarded for that? But it is something we could look into.
Edit: Aaron changed my mind, we should do some kind of rewards system for posts. Even my comment spurred conversation/activity.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 1:03:52 GMT -5
Reward Camps essentially define BBS: the league is insanely active and that's rooted in the rewards system in two ways: a) each GM gets to improve a player's attributes if he reaches 200 posts in a season and b) it has created a culture of conversation that is sometimes relevant to and other times completely unrelated to the actual sim league. It's fun and it keeps guys checking the league. Hopefully we can figure out a rewards system.
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Post by Nanz on Jun 23, 2008 1:06:01 GMT -5
To what steve said, i mean we already have the "Active Users In The Past 24 Hours" so tracking who has been on shouldn't be so difficult. I mean the least someone could do is post in sim threads on how their teams have done.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2008 1:08:15 GMT -5
Posts aren't always a mark of activity. For some it is...look at Vernon. As for others...Tyler is extremely active, he just doesn't post a ton. Plus someone could go and make useless posts like me putting "it's hard to get it down". Should I really be rewarded for that? But it is something we could look into. Agreed. GM activity can't be accurately defined by how many posts an owner has. There are some guys that are on AIM that I normally talk to that I never see post here on the forum. I think that people who don't like to post shouldn't have to. As long as they stay active, check the forum, and export consistently. I think if we did anything involving activity on the board we'd have to add it to fan interest and fan interest only.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 1:08:33 GMT -5
Yeah i agree now nanz, aaron convinced me. Even when i said the boner thing, at least it got you and peter to post. All posts spur activity.
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Post by Nanz on Jun 23, 2008 1:08:45 GMT -5
Reward Camps essentially define BBS: the league is insanely active and that's rooted in the rewards system in two ways: a) each GM gets to improve a player's attributes if he reaches 200 posts in a season and b) it has created a culture of conversation that is sometimes relevant to and other times completely unrelated to the actual sim league. It's fun and it keeps guys checking the league. Hopefully we can figure out a rewards system. We should do this but, like peter said, with money. I think we have all figured out after all this time about our team finances and to some it has lead into "probation". I think we could start with 100 posts and you get 2 mil? maybe 5 into your cash? Whatever it is, we should consider this as a new addition into the league.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 1:10:19 GMT -5
But matt, posting can make the boards more interesting. All posts, no matter how inane, make people come to the boards to read what is going on. The posters who do this most often should be rewarded.
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Post by Nanz on Jun 23, 2008 1:10:36 GMT -5
Yeah i agree now nanz, aaron convinced me. Even when i said the boner thing, at least it got you and peter to post. All posts spur activity. Yup, I mean the great thing about BBS is that there are always people on and you can start a thread just becuase you are bored and you wanna talk to someone. I think in time we could achive something like that.
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Post by PB on Jun 23, 2008 1:11:53 GMT -5
Reward Camps essentially define BBS: the league is insanely active and that's rooted in the rewards system in two ways: a) each GM gets to improve a player's attributes if he reaches 200 posts in a season and b) it has created a culture of conversation that is sometimes relevant to and other times completely unrelated to the actual sim league. It's fun and it keeps guys checking the league. Hopefully we can figure out a rewards system. Exactly what I was thinking. Having some sort of rewards system for being active would motivate the entire league to talk about their teams, baseball in general, and even matters completely off topic. I feel it would greatly enhance the BBSBL experience.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 1:12:53 GMT -5
Nobody is saying that posting on the message board is the only accurate measure of activity. It's perfectly possible to post rarely and generally ignore the message boards yet still closely follow your team and pursue trades...but is that what we want to encourage?
Right now, the first priority is to be more organized and to change something about the way we sim. But after that, wouldn't it be a nice sign if we had more guys checking in on the boards and posting? It's the mark of a good league if we can successfully promote activity on the message boards...If you don't post on the boards, it's certainly not implicit that you check your team; if you do post on the boards, it's still not implicit, but it's a shitload more likely that you take a vested interest in the league/your franchise. I know there are some guys in BBS who are more active because they like talking on the boards and it leads them to care about their teams.
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Post by aaronjh on Jun 23, 2008 1:15:10 GMT -5
Say we put up some threads...free-word association, post the song you're listening to, MLB discussion, anything...it will appeal to everyone if we get some conversation going. It's just a basic point that we can get a more exciting league going just by breathing some life into the forum.
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Post by matt on Jun 23, 2008 1:15:44 GMT -5
But matt, posting can make the boards more interesting. All posts, no matter how inane, make people come to the boards to read what is going on. The posters who do this most often should be rewarded. I don't think people should be rewarded for posting non-league related discussions. I mean, I've been in leagues where GMs were rewarded for writing articles for there teams. I understand the non-league related stuff is funny..but it's just that..non-league related. I'm 21 and I know there are older GMs in the league that don't have the time to sit down and post random crap late at night.
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Post by steve on Jun 23, 2008 1:17:01 GMT -5
I don't know anything about any kind of rewards right now, but I think Aaron's explained the importance of posting perfectly right above you.
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