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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:44:03 GMT -5
I expected FBB2 to be done by now. It isn't, and doesn't look to be done anytime soon. I'm thinking of restarting in the year 2000. Almost all of you would be asked to join, and I have 3-5 others in mind to join as well. Rules would be similar, but tweaked. I would choose your teams to create a level of parity.
So, let me know what you guys think. I know not everyone is excited about the idea of fake players. Others are just finally happy with their teams and don't want to restart. I understand both perspectives.
I don't have as much of a vested interest since I don't have a team, but I do think a restart would allow me to fix any problems we had in this version of BBS.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 15, 2007 12:48:37 GMT -5
yes
yes
yes
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:50:15 GMT -5
Year would be 200. Kinda similar to this version of BBS, but I think its a good spot to start.
Id pick the team each Gm would have, so it would change things up a bit. Id stagger Gms to certain spots so parity would be a little better.
Wed also use real rosters as opposed to a creation draft.
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Post by jahallstar on Dec 15, 2007 12:50:28 GMT -5
What would some of these tweaks be? Also is it going to be 2000 rosters or a fantasy draft type thing?
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Post by jahallstar on Dec 15, 2007 12:51:02 GMT -5
Well you already answered one of my questions..lol
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 12:51:23 GMT -5
A huge NO.
I for one don't see what the huge deal with fake players is, if we get draft profiles for the top prospects we should be fine anyways, and if your a good GM, you'll adapt. I personally like fake players, makes things more interesting and more challenging.
Not to mention, lots of teams, including myself, finally got their teams on the right track, and to just throw it away and re-start is not something I'm in favor of.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:51:38 GMT -5
Rcs would be watered down. Drafts might be a little different. Id pick teams, so leagues and divisions would be more even.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:52:23 GMT -5
A huge NO. I for one don't see what the huge deal with fake players is, if we get draft profiles for the top prospects we should be fine anyways, and if your a good GM, you'll adapt. I personally like fake players, makes things more interesting and more challenging. Not to mention, lots of teams, including myself, finally got their teams on the right track, and to just throw it away and re-start is not something I'm in favor of. I understand your point of view. It sucks o restart right after a team finally puts it together.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:52:44 GMT -5
If you vote, please post as well.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 15, 2007 12:53:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I want to avoid fake players. But Spence, please do something differently. I don't want everyone to know how each player will turn out, so I'd back a restart if you made sure we couldn't point to the kind of player a guy was in this league and expect the same.
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Post by aaron2344 on Dec 15, 2007 12:56:06 GMT -5
i'd only be for a restart if there was a creation draft. that was the coolest thing i've experienced in bbs. if we can have someone else run that so spence doesn't have to deal with it, it'd be great.
spence can then decide what teams look the best and spread them out, or he can just spread out certain gms in different divisions.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:56:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I want to avoid fake players. But Spence, please do something differently. I don't want everyone to know how each player will turn out, so I'd back a restart if you made sure we couldn't point to the kind of player a guy was in this league and expect the same. I never saw this as a problem. I mean Brand was more dominant then Shaq. Marcus Taylor was better Steve Nash. IDK, to me changing players up went pretty well.
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Post by jahallstar on Dec 15, 2007 12:56:40 GMT -5
I'll say yes just because I don't like the way specialty players have pretty much been eliminated from this league due to the high ratings. Players like Bruce Bowen (real life) would have no chance in this league really.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:57:41 GMT -5
I'll say yes just because I don't like the way specialty players have pretty much been eliminated from this league due to the high ratings. Players like Bruce Bowen (real life) would have no chance in this league really. Thats something Im a bit concerned about. I think Im to blame for this, so I might get some help with draft classes in the next version, if we decide tor restart.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:58:03 GMT -5
Im off to work. Lets hope this turns out well for everyone.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 12:58:09 GMT -5
Hmm, I don't think I'm going to vote. I LOVE my current team, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind re-starting and having my team from day 1. I really want to see how Sidney turns out, but whatever, I think starting over would be pretty cool. Forget it, I say yeah, start over, it'd be good.
BUT, I really don't want to start over because we're trying to be more like the other sims. THIS is the best sim, so to change anything up so that we're less susceptible to criticism from other leagues is not something I'm in favor of (like how people took shots at how high the ratings are). If that's not the case, and you just want to re-start to make the league perfect with everything you now know, then yeah, I'm for it.
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 12:58:21 GMT -5
I don't understand the hatred for fake players or players you've never heard of.
NBN has used fake players basically for 20+ seasons. They are real life players, just ones no one has ever heard of. The reason it's still going strong is because we get draft notes, we get rankings, mocks, etc. to help us better know the players, and we could easily do the same here...
It makes the league MUCH more challenging and if BBS has the best GM's like it claims it does, they should all be able to adapt.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 12:59:48 GMT -5
Hmm, I don't think I'm going to vote. I LOVE my current team, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind re-starting and having my team from day 1. I really want to see how Sidney turns out, but whatever, I think starting over would be pretty cool. Forget it, I say yeah, start over, it'd be good. BUT, I really don't want to start over because we're trying to be more like the other sims. THIS is the best sim, so to change anything up so that we're less susceptible to criticism from other leagues is not something I'm in favor of (like how people took shots at how high the ratings are). If that's not the case, and you just want to re-start to make the league perfect with everything you now know, then yeah, I'm for it. I don't want to be like any other league. I think BBS is the best, I just want things to be better. Its almost a challenge to myself to make it better each time.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 13:00:18 GMT -5
I don't understand the hatred for fake players or players you've never heard of. NBN has used fake players basically for 20+ seasons. They are real life players, just ones no one has ever heard of. The reason it's still going strong is because we get draft notes, we get rankings, mocks, etc. to help us better know the players, and we could easily do the same here... It makes the league MUCH more challenging and if BBS has the best GM's like it claims it does, they should all be able to adapt. Ya, I dont mind doing the fake players either, I just think most GMs have a negative sentiment towards it.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:01:22 GMT -5
I don't care about fake players at all. My best future player is a fake player, doesn't matter. I just think starting over is always fun. But yeah, I like my team quite a bit, so if we don't, I'm fine too. Not like last time, when I got completely fucked because of the re-start and had plans to quit for a few months after before I finally did.
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 15, 2007 13:02:09 GMT -5
I voted no, just dont see the need to start all over. Fake,real, dont care. It's the game and competition that make it fun not players names.
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 13:03:58 GMT -5
It's fun, but I don't think to just decide we're starting over after this season, 55 days into the season is fair to the GM's who finally have their teams where they want them. I may be being selfish, but I know I'm not the only one who will feel this way. I put a lot of work into this team the last two-three seasons, and to have it all thrown out right as my team is starting to become elite would really piss me off.
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Post by Skillz on Dec 15, 2007 13:08:12 GMT -5
I'd be in favor if we had a creation draft, i think they are extremely fun. I'm not sure how the fake players in the league will translate either. I'd definitely be for a restart depending on the rule changes, draft, etc.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:10:14 GMT -5
It's fun, but I don't think to just decide we're starting over after this season, 55 days into the season is fair to the GM's who finally have their teams where they want them. I may be being selfish, but I know I'm not the only one who will feel this way. I put a lot of work into this team the last two-three seasons, and to have it all thrown out right as my team is starting to become elite would really piss me off. I understand your point, but based off of what happened to a few of us last time when we re-started, you don't really have a case honestly. I think the idea behind a re-start has to be looked at in the form of, "do you think the league will be better off?" not for selfish reasons, because no one is in a situation like Me, DJ, and Reilly were in when we re-started the first time. No one.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:13:17 GMT -5
And yes, I'm still bitter.
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