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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 15, 2007 18:26:08 GMT -5
if there is a stipulation that you can forfeit that 1st for hard cap purposes i think 3 year rule works well and will allow new people coming in to not be completely fucked
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 15, 2007 21:27:00 GMT -5
I've read off and on the 6 pages in this thread and this is all I'm going to say.
Re-starting a league NEVER, and I mean NEVER, will hurt a league. The first BBS HAD to re-start it wasn't like one day Spence decided to re-start, the file ended up being corrupt and crashed so we were forced to re-start no matter what, but with that being said this is the best thing to happen to this league.
We're waiting and waiting, and waiting for FBB2 to come out, and there have been absolutely no updates on it since March. This league is becoming boring. People aren't writing articles at much, people aren't trading as much, and it's become dull.
I'm not totally against FAKE players, but at the same time, it's fun to at least be some what familiar with a player you're drafting.
With that being said.. the majority of the people who want a re-start are the same people who have taken 6-10+ seasons to actually have a good team, and they so happen to be the "new" guys who haven't been around since the original days of BBS.
You guys don't understand how competitive it becomes again when a league is re-started. So what you finally got a good team, who cares, you won't be winning a championship any time soon.. not with the Knicks, Pistons, Raptors in your way, not ever.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 15, 2007 21:27:47 GMT -5
oh yeah krumpernickel FUCK YOU BITCH!
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 21:31:40 GMT -5
You guys don't understand how competitive it becomes again when a league is re-started. So what you finally got a good team, who cares, you won't be winning a championship any time soon.. not with the Knicks, Pistons, Raptors in your way, not ever. To just assume that no one else has a chance is pretty stupid. Obviously they are great teams, but that doesn't mean they are guaranteed to win titles. Just because your team doesn't have a shot doesn't mean other teams, including my own, don't.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 21:38:25 GMT -5
Pretty much everything he said is dead on, though. The point about the Raptors-Knicks-Pistons is that, as currently constructed, they're always going to be the favorites. And there is nothing at all wrong with that, because chances are pretty damn great that they put together awesome teams in the next BBS.
He's right in saying that a re-start would really get things going. I love my future, but I'm also looking forward to starting over.
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 21:39:55 GMT -5
Exactly, they'll be great no matter what, so that shouldn't have any impact on whether we decide to re-start.
It's possible to beat them, Seattle did it back-to-back & the Magic won a title too.
The Raps haven't won since 04 & Detroit hasn't won since 98, so it's far from impossible.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 21:44:12 GMT -5
The main reason to re-start is because it will create more activity. That's the main reason to me, at least. I don't care about fake players really, and I don't care about who the favorites are each year. But if a re-start creates a lot more activity, then that is good with me.
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 21:49:40 GMT -5
I understand that and I'm all for re-starting if the league needs more activity, but BBS is the most active league I've ever been in, and I don't see the need to re-start, we're incredibly active as is.
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Post by djmyte on Dec 15, 2007 22:18:58 GMT -5
Since we've never actually tried fake players in BBS... maybe this is a good time to experiment...? The perfect time to restart would be when the new sim comes out... Of course, nobody knows when that is... but we can always restart anytime down the line.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 23:44:05 GMT -5
Firstly, I don't see that their is anything wrong with BBS as is. I think its one of the best sims around. I dont want to start over because Im unhappy with how things are, but I always like to strive for something better, and i think this is a good time to decide one way or the other.
Secondly, restarting shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone IMO. I expected to restart by now with the new version of FBB, but it still hasn't come out yet. I really cant say a restart at this point would be a surprise, considering I started this league with it being known Id restart with FBB2.
Third, how long do you expect sim leagues to last? How many have been in sims that last longer then 10 years? NBN, UOSL2, XBA. Anyone else? I don't think so. Its rare. I think the idea of a 30 year sim is cool, but does it really matter if we do 3 10 year sims instead? Wont it still be enjoyable? I guess I don't see the difference.
Lastly, I dont have a strong preference at this point. I like the idea of re starting, adding a couple of GMs like Will or Tiger, dropping some of the bottom tier guys, and trying for something even more special.
BBS was awesome, and no one wanted it to end, but this version was better. It was more active. Whose to say a new version wont be even better?
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 23:47:19 GMT -5
And, Ducky, youre a hater. You always take cheap shots at BBS. Its ghey. You suck.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 23:53:18 GMT -5
Agreed, he sucks.
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Post by djmyte on Dec 15, 2007 23:55:19 GMT -5
If every version of BBS only lasted 10 seasons... drafts in years 7, 8, 9 would be wasted as none of the players would ever have time to develop. Then no one would want to trade for picks/youth after year 6 since they wouldn't help them win before it all ended.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 15, 2007 23:56:11 GMT -5
If every version of BBS only lasted 10 seasons... drafts in years 7, 8, 9 would be wasted as none of the players would ever have time to develop. Then no one would want to trade for picks/youth after year 6 since they wouldn't help them win before it all ended. Well, I wouldnt tell you when wed restart, and Im not even saying its a reality, Im just saying, if you were in 3 different sims, that last 10 years each, and you had fun in them, would it matter that it was 3 different sims?
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Post by Spencer on Dec 16, 2007 0:02:28 GMT -5
Its like asking if chocolate is good. Or if a hot chick asks if you want a blowjob. Or its like asking, hey, do you want your mom to cook spaghetti, or do you want top ramen. Its a no brainer.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 16, 2007 0:08:49 GMT -5
Chocolate's good. You can't, Spence; you have a girlfriend. And I've never had ramen
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 16, 2007 0:11:58 GMT -5
SAD FACE DOES NOT EQUAL "WHAT HE SAID"
FUCK THIS
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Post by Spencer on Dec 16, 2007 0:12:05 GMT -5
Chocolate's good. You can't, Spence; you have a girlfriend. And I've never had ramen Ramen sucks. If youre ever poor enough to have to have ramen, Im sorry. Its really not good.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 16, 2007 0:15:20 GMT -5
I'm poor! I'm poor!
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 16, 2007 0:15:35 GMT -5
...I just haven't had Ramen.
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 16, 2007 0:28:02 GMT -5
Top Ramen is the shit I am cooking it now. Fuck all of you, DJ is a bitch......I don't know what he said but looking at him posting I can tell you it is a bitch comment. Go Giants!
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Post by ducky on Dec 16, 2007 1:24:15 GMT -5
And, Ducky, youre a hater. You always take cheap shots at BBS. Its ghey. You suck. I don't hate BBS. BBS is the best 2nd to NBN. But why restart? I don't see what the reason. But I'm cool with whatever.
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 16, 2007 1:32:44 GMT -5
And, Ducky, youre a hater. You always take cheap shots at BBS. Its ghey. You suck. I don't hate BBS. BBS is the best 2nd to NBN. But why restart? I don't see what the reason. But I'm cool with whatever. BBS 2nd to NBN. Go fuck yourself, your a loser like the Oregon Ducks.
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Post by Dan on Dec 16, 2007 1:42:57 GMT -5
hhaha restart it is!
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 16, 2007 1:49:06 GMT -5
Chocolate's good. You can't, Spence; you have a girlfriend. And I've never had ramen Ramen sucks. If youre ever poor enough to have to have ramen, Im sorry. Its really not good. You bite your tongue you son of a bitch!
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