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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 13:14:31 GMT -5
Okay, but generally when you re-start it's because the league is struggling and becoming less active.
The BBS is as strong as it's ever been since I joined in July, how does a re-start make it better off? The only real flaw of the league right now is that the ratings are inflated, but it's not exactly something that hurts the league, it's not as if the league is not active because of it.
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Post by jahallstar on Dec 15, 2007 13:14:37 GMT -5
Nova lets be honest here. No matter when you restart someone will make the same claim. Also you can't plan to restart 'in three years' or anything like that. What would be the point? Only the top 5 teams would care at all since the future would not matter.
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Post by KruPaxson on Dec 15, 2007 13:17:13 GMT -5
Would this BBS end this season?
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:17:32 GMT -5
Okay, but generally when you re-start it's because the league is struggling and becoming less active. The BBS is as strong as it's ever been since I joined in July, how does a re-start make it better off? The only real flaw of the league right now is that the ratings are inflated, but it's not exactly something that hurts the league, it's not as if the league is not active because of it. Yeah, but this league isn't normal. It gets to a point where current teams have been exhausted, and a change is just more enjoyable. As for not having a creation draft, eh, I don't love that. I just don't like the idea that we're going to give the Lakers to a shitty GM, and he'll steal a few titles with Shaq and Kobe. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't want to see "2000-01, 01-02 BBS champions" in Kev's sig.
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Post by aaron2344 on Dec 15, 2007 13:18:06 GMT -5
i say restart, let basone/habes/pig run the creation draft since they have a ton of experience in this sort of thing. then go from there.
i have detroit.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:19:09 GMT -5
Creation draft. Seriously, no one should start with Shaq and Kobe, especially if we're giving LA to a shitty GM.
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Post by Skillz on Dec 15, 2007 13:21:11 GMT -5
I concur
Creation draft and restart
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 13:21:32 GMT -5
Nova lets be honest here. No matter when you restart someone will make the same claim. Also you can't plan to restart 'in three years' or anything like that. What would be the point? Only the top 5 teams would care at all since the future would not matter. I know, and I admit part of the reason why I'm against it is because of my team is finally where I want it to be. It may be selfish, but it's how I feel and that won't change. If we re-start, we re-start, but I simply don't understand the need for it at this point. If GM's just want to re-start to avoid fake players, then I'm sorry, but that's a pussy excuse to vote for a restart. I'm in favor of re-starts when the league is struggling or becoming less active, but BBS is incredibly active. It won't matter what I think, and I'd probably join the re-start league, but I'm just stating that I think it's incredibly lame and unnecessary.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:22:15 GMT -5
Reilly, remember in the last creation draft me, you, and DJ were given a better chance to land a top pick because of our situations, and somehow Aaron and Martinez stole the first two spots? Oh well, I'm not complaining with Duncan, but damn.
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 13:22:32 GMT -5
And if we must re-start, I also vote for a creation draft.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:24:05 GMT -5
Nova lets be honest here. No matter when you restart someone will make the same claim. Also you can't plan to restart 'in three years' or anything like that. What would be the point? Only the top 5 teams would care at all since the future would not matter. I know, and I admit part of the reason why I'm against it is because of my team is finally where I want it to be. It may be selfish, but it's how I feel and that won't change. If we re-start, we re-start, but I simply don't understand the need for it at this point. If GM's just want to re-start to avoid fake players, then I'm sorry, but that's a pussy excuse to vote for a restart. I'm in favor of re-starts when the league is struggling or becoming less active, but BBS is incredibly active. It won't matter what I think, and I'd probably join the re-start league, but I'm just stating that I think it's incredibly lame and unnecessary. Who really has a problem with the fake players? I doubt the majority does. It doesn't make a difference to me, and isn't something we need to re-start over. I just think there comes a point where a league gets exhausted, and a re-start reinvigorates a lot of people. You might think they're active, but people don't care as much as they used to. I don't get the impression Spence cares as much as he used to. Maybe this is as much for him as it is for us.
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Post by aaron2344 on Dec 15, 2007 13:24:59 GMT -5
that was bullshit, i got 5th pick. i wanted KG.
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Post by KruPaxson on Dec 15, 2007 13:25:55 GMT -5
yea I also want to be in the western conference so I can matchup against Aaron in the Finals. I love being in the same division as him but it would be a lot more fun when we play each other in the finals. I would also like to be the Mavericks since they are my favorite team.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:26:07 GMT -5
If we re-start, can we please make a decent Richard Jefferson? Is he impossible to make good in a sim?
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 13:26:08 GMT -5
I agree Spence doesn't care as much as he used to, but I think that's mainly because of the attacks on people that have been consistently happening over the last 6-7 seasons. Good GM's have been attacked/insulted for no apparent reason other then personal dislike.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 15, 2007 13:29:39 GMT -5
for my teams reasons i dont wan to restart just because for the second time in a row im in the middle of a rebuild that im loving the looks of
i can understand a rebuild but i would wnat a fantasy draft... i think thats makes starting over a lot more fun
maybe we decide contracts of player from the draft as we would RCs so its random and FA is staggered from the beginning... not so that u have to wait till 4 years for it to be descent
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:30:39 GMT -5
I agree Spence doesn't care as much as he used to, but I think that's mainly because of the attacks on people that have been consistently happening over the last 6-7 seasons. Good GM's have been attacked/insulted for no apparent reason other then personal dislike. Seriously, this has always happened. People are way too sensitive now. This has always been the nature of BBS, and it makes it more fun. I take tons of shots at James, and I don't have any personal dislike for him. I would make fun of duce for that ludicrous self-loving stuff he pulled initially which started the whole thing (prior to saying he'll "reveal his secrets" no one ever gave him a problem) but never and still don't have any personal dislike for him. Maybe a few people have legitimate problems with people, but this who idea of "attacks" is so ridiculously overblown, and gains a lot of steam because some GMs/Spence mention it way too often IMO. It's not a big deal.
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Post by nova on Dec 15, 2007 13:33:17 GMT -5
It is only a few people, but it gets taken too far and gets really irritating.
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Post by aaron2344 on Dec 15, 2007 13:34:16 GMT -5
some people can take jokes, others are way too sensitive
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Post by aaron2344 on Dec 15, 2007 13:34:41 GMT -5
that was such an aig comment by me...i'd smite myself if i could
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:34:45 GMT -5
It's stupid, I agree. But at the same time, I think the "holier than thou" response that some take to it is even more irritating than the attacks themselves. And I don't mean you, I don't even know who I mean. But in general, the response is more irritating than the attack, at least to me.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:35:17 GMT -5
that was such an aig comment by me...i'd smite myself if i could He better not be invited into the re-start.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2007 13:35:40 GMT -5
Seriously, all I want to do is go home for winter break. I want my meals made for me. I'm tired of this BS.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 15, 2007 13:37:45 GMT -5
This league has been great, but there's a point where leagues peak and are just generally really exciting. Nothing has faded in this BBS as far as excitement, but the newness factor, the fresh start, I think, would regenerate a lot of competition that may be lacking right now (how many teams really have a chance to win these next three seasons?)
I also think a lot of guys have something to prove, which makes the restart fun for me:
Can James build a team without inheriting a lot of talent and without tanking?
Is Kev this bad?
For guys like Aar, Play, Skillz, it's a chance to build their own thing.
Can Martinez build a winner?
There are plenty others. I think with the state of the league right now, there are some teams that will never really move up. A lot of teams have inherited bad contracts and have to make a lot of poor moves to get rid of them, which only prolongs rebuilding. The talent is this league is at the top, and we know who the great teams will be year-in and year-out: Detroit, NY, LAL, Toronto and a handful of others. I don't see anyone matching what Pig did because it's not easy at all to catch so many teams moving that kind of talent. If you look at it realistically, the winners will take their turns winning, and 22 teams or so will probably never have a shot to win BBS. I'm for restarting to add parity, newness and excitement.
Nova, I'll say this. When we folded the old BBS, a lot of guys had a lot more invested in the future than anyone here (because of the draft pick leniency, three guys had 20 picks in the upcoming seasons), but they didn't vehemently oppose the restart. For the sake of the league, it's a good transition. I completely understand your frustration, but as long as you'll stay around for the restart, I think you'll get over it quickly, because it's really fun when so many talented GMs are going ground-up.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 15, 2007 13:38:14 GMT -5
well im guessing there will be a restart... the only real problem i have with this is that say in 6 months and fbb 2 comes out are we going to restart again? i dont like that
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