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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 11:48:43 GMT -5
Duce has done everything he can to run his team into the ground
Who Presses and Traps ALWAYS when your starting defense looks like this
A-Defender C+ Defender A- Defender C Defender B-Defender
3 huge holes in your defense that is only going to get burnt bad by pressing and trapping not to mention pick up fouls and put in even worse players on your bench.
To multiply things you run a FAST to VERY FAST tempo which only tires out guys and uses young bench more often. Very smart thing to do to a team that isn't that deep. Or for a team that their PG leads the league in turnovers.
Your best player Lamarcus Aldridge WASN'T your number 1 option from days 11-91 which only came by suggestion bc of my accusations of you tanking. In fact you didn't even change your options once after the first sim all season. You had Lonny Baxter as your #1 option all season who shouldn't have even been starting!
No one said you team was going to be great but for you to be the worst team in the league by such a margin is horrid. You could definitely compete with the Jazz, Sixers, Grizz, Heat, Hornets for 25 wins or so.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 11:51:56 GMT -5
Like Ive already said, Ive always been of the opinion that trapping and pressing is something you should do when your defense is bad. if you have a good defense, you dont need to trap or press.
I think its acceptable to run a fast pace when your strength seems to be your smaller players.
Aldridge being the bets player on his team, doesnt mean hes the best scorer. 43%? Did they win when he was the #1 option? Nope.
Once again Dave, everything youve posted is YOUR opinion. Its quite lame that you have so little respect for those GMs around you that you think YOUR opinion is better then theirs.
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Post by duce on Sept 2, 2007 11:52:37 GMT -5
lol look krup, i don't care what ya say, but i would suggest you stop talking down to everyone. it's pretty irritating to be on the other end of it. i don't think you'd like the same treatment.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 11:54:46 GMT -5
Ya, I think we need an intervention for Dave before he is vilified even more. Dave, we love you, but your shit stinks too, and thats okay.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 12:01:48 GMT -5
who starts their worst defenders! he has better players than that.
Spence, I know you throw out accusations of tanking to other GMs for way less I don't need to mention names. Also what you say about trapping and pressing is YOUR opinion. You're not Mr. FBB. Also just goes to show how much you know when you say he ran fast pace when his strength was his smaller players why was he running Baxter at the 3 than with no handles to speak of and inside focus?
Duce you can try and throw me under the bridge all you want, I really don't give a shit. Your DC is shady end of story. You were a top 5 pick all season thats evident but don't say every sim how bad your team is and claim you aren't tanking. Just admit it.
Not once did I talk down to anyone or say that their opinion is inferior that is what both of you are inferring. I think if Duce wanted to make a better DC he could. He played Rudy Fernandez at SG over Seflosha or Felton is absurd. There were no patterns or styles that Duce was actually trying to accomplish other than losing.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 12:06:35 GMT -5
Ya, I think we need an intervention for Dave before he is vilified even more. Dave, we love you, but your shit stinks too, and thats okay. really I do get sick of this shit. I care about the integrity of the league a great deal and I throw out something and people get way too jumpy. Everything I say gets magnified 7 fold, taken way to seriously, or I don't know what. If someone else brought this up I guarantee things would be different
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Post by duce on Sept 2, 2007 12:07:23 GMT -5
when did i try to throw you under the bridge? i just suggested something. i mean, i know i COULD try to throw you under the bridge. but thanks for letting me know.
oh by the way, the depth chart you posted for me, and this post you just made, is very close to my first depth chart of the season. i went 2-5, so, clearly i'm in the wrong.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 12:07:58 GMT -5
who starts their worst defenders! he has better players than that. Spence, I know you throw out accusations of tanking to other GMs for way less I don't need to mention names. Also what you say about trapping and pressing is YOUR opinion. You're not Mr. FBB. Also just goes to show how much you know when you say he ran fast pace when his strength was his smaller players why was he running Baxter at the 3 than with no handles to speak of and inside focus? Duce you can try and throw me under the bridge all you want, I really don't give a shit. Your DC is shady end of story. You were a top 5 pick all season thats evident but don't say every sim how bad your team is and claim you aren't tanking. Just admit it. Not once did I talk down to anyone or say that their opinion is inferior that is what both of you are inferring. I think if Duce wanted to make a better DC he could. He played Rudy Fernandez at SG over Seflosha or Felton is absurd. There were no patterns or styles that Duce was actually trying to accomplish other than losing. Ive never said i was Mr. FBB, but I know my way isnt always the right way, you havent seemed to grasp that yet. Youre opinion is often forced upon others. Youre condescending in your supposed knowledge of FBB. Maybe you dont see it, but the way you post, it sounds very demeaning towards others. Maybe something you can work on. You are quite obviously a very good GM, and have a good grasp of the game, but you need to take a step back and realize people can win in this game using different ideas and strategies.
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 2, 2007 12:08:48 GMT -5
who starts their worst defenders! he has better players than that. Spence, I know you throw out accusations of tanking to other GMs for way less I don't need to mention names. Also what you say about trapping and pressing is YOUR opinion. You're not Mr. FBB. Also just goes to show how much you know when you say he ran fast pace when his strength was his smaller players why was he running Baxter at the 3 than with no handles to speak of and inside focus? Duce you can try and throw me under the bridge all you want, I really don't give a shit. Your DC is shady end of story. You were a top 5 pick all season thats evident but don't say every sim how bad your team is and claim you aren't tanking. Just admit it. Not once did I talk down to anyone or say that their opinion is inferior that is what both of you are inferring. I think if Duce wanted to make a better DC he could. He played Rudy Fernandez at SG over Seflosha or Felton is absurd. There were no patterns or styles that Duce was actually trying to accomplish other than losing. "Not once did I talk down to anyone or say that their opinion is inferior that is what both of you are inferring." This is all you ever do. Just look at when two paragraphs earlier, when you preface your point by saying, "Also just goes to show how much you know..."
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 12:09:22 GMT -5
Ya, I think we need an intervention for Dave before he is vilified even more. Dave, we love you, but your shit stinks too, and thats okay. really I do get sick of this shit. I care about the integrity of the league a great deal and I throw out something and people get way too jumpy. Everything I say gets magnified 7 fold, taken way to seriously, or I don't know what. If someone else brought this up I guarantee things would be different Its how you say things. Sometimes I think you live in a bubble where no one every questions what you do, or how you say things. I think that you are very condescending sometimes. Because of this things you say to make people angry, and a discussion ensues.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 12:10:19 GMT -5
I really think Dave is oblivious to how he comes across. Youre a good guy, and a huge part of the league, but you dont need to try and enforce your opinion upon all of us. Were all adults, we can have our own opinions.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 12:40:19 GMT -5
I just think its funny how everyone can get all this from posting in a forum. I am a very mellow person, highly competitive, but mellow. I don't think I've ever had one person think I was condescending one bit. I try and help others at times in the league while people are very prideful and take it as I trying to talk down to them or forcing my opinion on them. I often take others advice on trades, DC, drafting obviously what I think after considering everyones thoughts and opinion is the decision I make. Just as much as I give opinions, I take them.
I am opinionated in BBS which is obvious by my 5000 posts. I like to interject on trades who wins who loses so forth, or write articles on different teams. I've always been into sports journalism and being in BBS its a great way to channel that. I've worked in Sports communication at espn. Most people get upset if I bash them for doing something and yes I am being critical because that is the standpoint I am taking writing these things. Those are the types of articles I write maybe I need to write other types of articles too to try and be positive. Most people in the league take it very personally where I am just having fun and getting more points for my team while improving my writing skills.
A lot of what I write falls upon deaf ears maybe because people are tired of what I have to say and have just tuned me out. I think that is a bit immature but whatever. I also know people who get very irritated when I have something to say about them. People in this in the league usually get a perception of a person and stick to that and usually read what that person has to say with that perception in mind. I also know BBS persona and actual persona can be completely different. I know that Haberman is a great kid and a very nice person however in BBS he gets on my nerves sometimes. It always kills me when I think he is on the verge of doing some great things he tears it down and goes another direction trying to expedite the process. He is also a person that gets very defensive and irritated at things I have to say.
Being atop of the league I am always going to be in a greater spotlight. You can look at this being truthful or being lame but if you put more work into your team you are going to have greater results. I work hard on my team, I'm constantly looking for trade angles, keeping up with player progression, looking at other people's DC's to try and emulate styles of play that are successful. Thinking about salary and planning ahead. Just because I am deemed as one of the better GM's and my team has been one of the best teams doesn't mean I sit on top of a hill on my throne looking down at everyone. I enjoy discussion and debate and I openly hear what everyone has to say.
To sum all things up, Duce, if you don't think by playing bad defenders over players that are better defensively while being just as good if not better offensively that isn't tanking I don't know what to say. I thought it was quite evident. Your team sucks there is no question but its possible your team could have been better.
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Post by duce on Sept 2, 2007 13:16:05 GMT -5
To sum all things up, Duce, if you don't think by playing bad defenders over players that are better defensively while being just as good if not better offensively that isn't tanking I don't know what to say. They're not just as good offensively. Not at all. And I think that's what it ultimately comes down to... you thought those players are what I wished they were. I tried almost the same idea as you posted on day damn 1(day, damn, 1, ). It did not work. Most of them are better bench players. This, as well as the fact that what I believe to be pressing and trapping is different from what you do. Even if you didn't mean to word any of this in a classless way, you've still proven to me you have very little respect for what I do. I've done just as much research in FBB leagues as you or anyone else over the years. A lot of the times I think what you do with your team is funny, but I don't go shoving it in your face. I don't go accusing you of tanking for Brand. Not even once. I even extended the olive branch out there and let you post a chart for me, something I have never ever once done in a sim league before. All I wanted to do was prove that I was open to any idea that somebody might have for making my team win, so that when my team is better that I won't have the disrespect of my peers as DJ does. But what I've come to realize is I no longer want your respect. You and others have accused me of tanking without telling me man to man and without hearing what I have to say. So as far as I'm concerned yall can think whatever the hell you want. I have nothing to prove. You wanna think I'm tanking, go right ahead, only one opinion matters, and even if in the future that one opinion changed I am more than ready to give my reasoning to him on every single thing I do with my DC... because I know in my heart that I am doing what I can to win with this current roster.
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Post by Dan on Sept 2, 2007 13:28:19 GMT -5
damn duce tough shit pass few days for you
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Post by duce on Sept 2, 2007 13:32:59 GMT -5
whatever, i know this jackass and his crew are trying to mess with me. it's kinda gay cuz i have no other choice but to defend myself or else the whole league is gonna believe i'm tanking. this is possibly one of the few things i hate BBS for, these 3 fucks(krup, reilly, hernando...) seriously think that it's funny to toy with people's heads. it's not really. it even gets old with jeremy. the only thing they accomplish is fulfilling their own ignorantly frivolous goals.
that's actually one of the biggest reasons i took jeremy on, because i thought if people weren't fucken with his head all the time that he might be cooler, but that's another story.
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Post by aaron2344 on Sept 2, 2007 13:45:20 GMT -5
whatever, i know this jackass and his crew are trying to mess with me. it's kinda gay cuz i have no other choice but to defend myself or else the whole league is gonna believe i'm tanking. this is possibly one of the few things i hate BBS for, these 3 fucks(krup, reilly, hernando...) seriously think that it's funny to toy with people's heads. it's not really. it even gets old with jeremy. the only thing they accomplish is fulfilling their own ignorantly frivolous goals. that's actually one of the biggest reasons i took jeremy on, because i thought if people weren't fucken with his head all the time that he might be cooler, but that's another story. Every day, I try to think of ways to toy with people's heads. Today I woke up and decided to watch you and Krupinski go at it, while I sit on the side and keep my mouth shut (like I usually do). Toy with people's heads - check Accomplish ignorantly frivolous goals - check Great day of work for me. And by the way, picked a random number (last 60 posts of mine) and did not find one post belittling anyone, especially you. Unless of course you take offense to our Pippen trade.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 2, 2007 13:49:05 GMT -5
apparently i'm a fuck in this league, i had no idea... but i think its fairly obvious that duce has been attempting to lose (playing bad defenders, not giving lots of playing time to people like felton, and the largest one that hasn't been mentioned yet is only signing lonny baxter in FA, while still being $11million UNDER the cap... whether or not you tried to sign other people I don't know, but when the topic was brought up, you replied: I guess Duce is just trying to get over the minimum salary? correct.
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Post by aaron2344 on Sept 2, 2007 13:51:35 GMT -5
apparently i'm a fuck in this league, i had no idea... but i think its fairly obvious that duce has been attempting to lose (playing bad defenders, not giving lots of playing time to people like felton, and the largest one that hasn't been mentioned yet is only signing lonny baxter in FA, while still being $11million UNDER the cap... whether or not you tried to sign other people I don't know, but when the topic was brought up, you replied: Hernando, shut up you stupid fuck. You're worrying about other's frivolous goals. Get back to our mission, worrying about our own goals.
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Post by duce on Sept 2, 2007 13:55:20 GMT -5
making humor of what i say, doesn't mean it's true or false.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 2, 2007 13:57:22 GMT -5
I have no idea what I've done to be called a "fuck" in this league. I may have ran the old Utah GM out of the league because of his homoerotic obsession with Brad Miller, or convinced Jeremy to PM Spencer websites of naked asian women, but other than that I'd be open to hear why I'm a fuck.
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Post by duce on Sept 2, 2007 13:57:45 GMT -5
baxter has been my best player this year. i expected him to contribute, maybe not this much but it's not like i signed some random scrub to an expiring... and i didn't need to make it a 10M deal to get over, i seriously wanted the guy.
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Post by aaron2344 on Sept 2, 2007 13:58:44 GMT -5
I have no idea what I've done to be called a "fuck" in this league. I may have ran the old Utah GM out of the league because of his homoerotic obsession with Brad Miller, or convinced Jeremy to PM Spencer websites of naked asian women, but other than that I'd be open to hear why I'm a fuck.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 2, 2007 14:01:48 GMT -5
baxter has been my best player this year. i expected him to contribute, maybe not this much but it's not like i signed some random scrub to an expiring... and i didn't need to make it a 10M deal to get over, i seriously wanted the guy. And you didn't want to sign anyone in days 4-5 with $11 million to spend? Or did you decide you would use that cap room to take on an expiring contract to help you win this season, and just forgot to do so?
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 14:03:08 GMT -5
I have PMd probably 5 GMs for tanking over the last couple of years, Hernando was one of them. I didnt PM Duce this year because I didnt see anything he did to be blatant tanking. I Pmd Hernando because he was playing inferior players while better players sat on the IL. Duce hasnt done that. I have Pmd other Gms when it was obvious they were playing inferior players. IMO, all Duces players are about the same. All of his small players have weaknesses. He lacks depth with his big players, and always plays the best 3 bigs he has. I think he couldve tried harder to win, but he doesnt have to, he just needs to post a lineup that uses his best players.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 2, 2007 14:04:11 GMT -5
baxter has been my best player this year. i expected him to contribute, maybe not this much but it's not like i signed some random scrub to an expiring... and i didn't need to make it a 10M deal to get over, i seriously wanted the guy. And you didn't want to sign anyone in days 4-5 with $11 million to spend? Or did you decide you would use that cap room to take on an expiring contract to help you win this season, and just forgot to do so? Duce isnt the first team to not use all his cap room. I dont get why people tend to try and gang up on someone. It gets old.
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