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Post by nova on Jul 29, 2007 14:19:31 GMT -5
No. Not at all, are you missing something here Aaron? Did you read the state of Jeremy thread? Did you not see that I gave Jeremy conditions in which he had to follow to be part of the league? I think perhaps constant PMs and IMs from Jeremy has had a poor affect on you. Very cool. Love seeing when you call me out when we're just discussing something and trying to find the reason you banned him. Please don't use any condescending remarks toward me, I love the league, but I don't need you questioning me in any way. Aaron, I don't think he meant anything by it. He wasn't trying to be condescending or mean, he was just stating his point.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:20:26 GMT -5
the reason i fired jeremy is because i feel he's not capable of waking up and being responsible. i tried almost everything. he always says he wants to do better but he never puts it into action. personally i don't hold any of that against him and i released him because he should be his own person and nobody is gonna change that. unfortunately his ability to annoy is unreal, and he has no respect for anybody. if you(and i say "you" meaning everyone) think it's bad on the boards, you haven't seen the worst of it. he's a trash talking machine and chances are if you're here, he's once been of the opinion that you suck and he could do much better than you. once you know all that stuff, you begin to understand why some people can't stand his ass. Its quite obvious Jeremy has become bad for BBS. He is a negative influence. Many people are affected poorly by him. I gave him conditions because he deserves them. He cant freely decide what is right, and what is wrong. He needs to be kept on a leash. If this is not acceptable to him, then see ya in UOSL.
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Post by duce on Jul 29, 2007 14:21:31 GMT -5
aww crap, i forgot he's still in that
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Post by nybombers3 on Jul 29, 2007 14:22:02 GMT -5
Jeremy really needs to STFU. The fact that most of the people that were willing to help him before want him gone now is not a coincidence. He's an annoying douche. Point blank period.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jul 29, 2007 14:22:40 GMT -5
Very cool. Love seeing when you call me out when we're just discussing something and trying to find the reason you banned him. Please don't use any condescending remarks toward me, I love the league, but I don't need you questioning me in any way. Aaron, youre the only one that has a problem with this. You are questioning my judgement, saying its out of frustration, when I very clearly state what I expected from him much earlier today. I'm the only one questioning you because the league is full of puppets. Whatever you say seems to be set in stone with regard to a number of Gms in this league. I've seen it with Krupinski when he goes at you on certain occasions, and I see it again with this situation. And I truly believe you've wanted Jeremy gone for a number of weeks, which is obvious. This bet was your ticket to get rid of him, even if you completely misjudged the stipulations. Again, the final decision is up to you. I don't mind either way what happens. But I'm not going to let everyone in this league pick on the kid while I sit back and watch, especially when he puts in a lot of effort for my team. Or I'm not going to sit here and have you question me in anyway.
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Post by aaronjh on Jul 29, 2007 14:24:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, I liked the idea of Aaron helping him out and thought it'd be good for Jeremy, but enough is enough with him. He doesn't deserve a team, he's an annoying jerk and he has no desire to change. I think he's worn out his welcome, and that's that.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:25:32 GMT -5
Aaron, youre the only one that has a problem with this. You are questioning my judgement, saying its out of frustration, when I very clearly state what I expected from him much earlier today. I'm the only one questioning you because the league is full of puppets. Whatever you say seems to be set in stone with regard to a number of Gms in this league. I've seen it with Krupinski when he goes at you on certain occasions, and I see it again with this situation. And I truly believe you've wanted Jeremy gone for a number of weeks, which is obvious. This bet was your ticket to get rid of him, even if you completely misjudged the stipulations. Again, the final decision is up to you. I don't mind either way what happens. But I'm not going to let everyone in this league pick on the kid while I sit back and watch, especially when he puts in a lot of effort for my team. Or I'm not going to sit here and have you question me in anyway. Ugh, I now slightly regret the PM I just sent you.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:25:59 GMT -5
Aaron, youre the only one that has a problem with this. You are questioning my judgement, saying its out of frustration, when I very clearly state what I expected from him much earlier today. I'm the only one questioning you because the league is full of puppets. Whatever you say seems to be set in stone with regard to a number of Gms in this league. I've seen it with Krupinski when he goes at you on certain occasions, and I see it again with this situation. And I truly believe you've wanted Jeremy gone for a number of weeks, which is obvious. This bet was your ticket to get rid of him, even if you completely misjudged the stipulations. Again, the final decision is up to you. I don't mind either way what happens. But I'm not going to let everyone in this league pick on the kid while I sit back and watch, especially when he puts in a lot of effort for my team. Or I'm not going to sit here and have you question me in anyway. You are all my puppets. Always remember that.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jul 29, 2007 14:26:14 GMT -5
i am just pissed i lost to the wiz and knicks today thats a quarter of my losses on the season
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:26:42 GMT -5
Aaron, youre the only one that has a problem with this. You are questioning my judgement, saying its out of frustration, when I very clearly state what I expected from him much earlier today. I'm the only one questioning you because the league is full of puppets. Whatever you say seems to be set in stone with regard to a number of Gms in this league. I've seen it with Krupinski when he goes at you on certain occasions, and I see it again with this situation. And I truly believe you've wanted Jeremy gone for a number of weeks, which is obvious. This bet was your ticket to get rid of him, even if you completely misjudged the stipulations. Again, the final decision is up to you. I don't mind either way what happens. But I'm not going to let everyone in this league pick on the kid while I sit back and watch, especially when he puts in a lot of effort for my team. Or I'm not going to sit here and have you question me in anyway. This post makes me extremely angry.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:27:44 GMT -5
Do people dislike Jeremy because I tell them to?
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Post by nybombers3 on Jul 29, 2007 14:28:19 GMT -5
Do people dislike Jeremy because I tell them to? Yes master.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:28:51 GMT -5
Ridiculous.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jul 29, 2007 14:30:05 GMT -5
Do people dislike Jeremy because I tell them to? It's not like that. I just feel, as well as a few others I've talked to, that some GMs just follow whatever you do. If you don't like him, others will just pile on. There's no way around it, people don't like Jeremy for whatever reason. But be realistic, you have the biggest influence on anybody in this league, and when you say things, people listen and normally go along, even more than they once would.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jul 29, 2007 14:30:15 GMT -5
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:31:34 GMT -5
Do people dislike Jeremy because I tell them to? It's not like that. I just feel, as well as a few others I've talked to, that some GMs just follow whatever you do. If you don't like him, others will just pile on. There's no way around it, people don't like Jeremy for whatever reason. But be realistic, you have the biggest influence on anybody in this league, and when you say things, people listen and normally go along, even more than they once would. People dislike Jeremy for "whatever reason". Aaron, do you really feel like this is something that has happened for unknown reasons? Do you think the general dislike of Jeremy is odd?
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:32:12 GMT -5
This is ghey. Im gonna go smoke a cigar.
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Post by nova on Jul 29, 2007 14:32:33 GMT -5
Aaron, youre the only one that has a problem with this. You are questioning my judgement, saying its out of frustration, when I very clearly state what I expected from him much earlier today. I'm the only one questioning you because the league is full of puppets. Whatever you say seems to be set in stone with regard to a number of Gms in this league. I've seen it with Krupinski when he goes at you on certain occasions, and I see it again with this situation. And I truly believe you've wanted Jeremy gone for a number of weeks, which is obvious. This bet was your ticket to get rid of him, even if you completely misjudged the stipulations. Again, the final decision is up to you. I don't mind either way what happens. But I'm not going to let everyone in this league pick on the kid while I sit back and watch, especially when he puts in a lot of effort for my team. Or I'm not going to sit here and have you question me in anyway. Aaron, no offense, because I like you a lot and your a great GM, but, I have to say this. Jeremy was acting arrogant and cocky in the LBJ/Paul trade thread. He challenged Krup, and krup jokingly posted that bet. He never expected Jeremy to accept, but for some stupid reason, Jeremy did accept it. Spence didn't make the bet, none of the rest of us made the bet, JEREMY made the bet. Maybe some of us have wanted him gone for a while, but he's brought everything on himself. As I told you last night, none of us pick on him for fun(except maybe Andy & Pig), we do it because he brings it on himself. No matter what he says, he's always acting immature, or posting stupid articles, or just making pointless comments. None of us told him to make the bet, none of us pressured him to make the bet. He made the damn bet himself, and it's his own fault. This is a sim league, not a court of law. I think it was pretty clear to every GM that if you lost, he'd be gone for good, or at least for a while. Now, if he stays, fine, I really don't care enough either way, but it's his own fault. He made his bed, now he has to lie in it. Yes he tries hard, he tries TOO hard. That's the issue. Maybe some time away will do him some good.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jul 29, 2007 14:32:37 GMT -5
It's not like that. I just feel, as well as a few others I've talked to, that some GMs just follow whatever you do. If you don't like him, others will just pile on. There's no way around it, people don't like Jeremy for whatever reason. But be realistic, you have the biggest influence on anybody in this league, and when you say things, people listen and normally go along, even more than they once would. People dislike Jeremy for "whatever reason". Aaron, do you really feel like this is something that has happened for unknown reasons? Do you think the general dislike of Jeremy is odd? No, there are many reasons -- makes fun of GMs, writing articles, too many posts. So they don't like him for whatever reason.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:33:45 GMT -5
What is the overall feeling on the aftermath of the bet? Did most people feel it was implied that he was gonna leave for good? It sure seemed that way to me.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jul 29, 2007 14:35:43 GMT -5
It's obvious what the overall feeling of the bet was. People thought Jeremy was gone for good if we lost.
I told Jeremy to make the bet beacuse I saw the loophole in the bet. They said he only had to quit, not quit for good or a certain amount of time, but just quit. I thought it was an easy way to get 2 free RC's or not lose anything. That's why I told him to make the bet.
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Post by nova on Jul 29, 2007 14:35:47 GMT -5
Aaron, none of us do anything because Spence tells us to. Spence didn't make the bet, he didn't force Jeremy to accept, Jeremy accepted before any of us even said anything.
Spence even gave Jeremy a chance to come back in the future, and even if it was a mistake, Jeremy had the gall to act like all of this was no big deal, like it was a joke.
Everyone expected him to find a way around it and to keep posting, and he has. No one really expected him to leave, they were all just hoping, because he is that damn annoying sometimes.
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Post by Spencer on Jul 29, 2007 14:36:01 GMT -5
The puppet thing will never go away. I think Im relatively easy to get along with, and I think I run the league well. People that get too invested in this league feel they deserve special treatment, and I dont always do that. I think most GMs that are in multiple leagues know how well BBS is run. Im fair with my decisions, and have learned to be more harsh when needed. If anyone has a problem with how I run the league, cya.
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Post by nova on Jul 29, 2007 14:39:01 GMT -5
It's obvious what the overall feeling of the bet was. People thought Jeremy was gone for good if we lost. I told Jeremy to make the bet beacuse I saw the loophole in the bet. They said he only had to quit, not quit for good or a certain amount of time, but just quit. I thought it was an easy way to get 2 free RC's or not lose anything. That's why I told him to make the bet. As soon as he refused to clarify that he would be gone for good, I knew he'd find a way to stick around. That was just a pointless bet then honestly, not fair to Krup. If Jeremy stays, fine, but I'd like to propose that he has posting limits. Basically - he should only be able to post in the following forums - General Forums Articles Trade Talk Depth Charts This way, MAYBE he can still contribute something without annoying the hell out of everyone else.
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Post by Dan on Jul 29, 2007 14:39:37 GMT -5
Jeremy is annoying as fuck, i dont know why aaron thinks we are all jumping on the bandwagon with spence, it is clear what he has done, and why everyone is pissed off at him. He doesnt make sense, it isnt like his first mistake, he does something stupid every day.
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