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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 19:33:28 GMT -5
The main point seems to be the B+ handles. Both sides have decent arguments, but thus far, the ratings are quite low on other players and to give B+ handles to a rookie, who didn't do anything to warrant such handles as a rookie, is already inflating the ratings. Like someone said, Baron Davis will have A+ ratings before you know it. I was hoping we kept A+ ratings to the chosen few (Nash handles, Wallace defense, Artest defense) and not to players who have A- and possibly A handles. No one has any faith. I do this stuff a million times, and things usually turn out fine, and still there is no faith. I think that in your mind, Baron Davis is a superstar. So no, I have no faith that he will turn out to be what he should be.
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 19:36:10 GMT -5
Aaron, I have no beef with you but I don't think Jason Richardson is a star. He's been a project from the beginning and yes he is GOING to be a star but his shot selection is probably just as bad as Baron's was. -- In JRich’s best two years, he put up FG%’s that top anything Baron has ever dreamed of. He was a star last season. He scored 23 per game and grabbed nearly 6 boards per. If he isn’t a star off of those seasons, then Baron never has approached that level. -- So shouldn't his talent and skills be a good thing in the game? -- I don’t think that it is fair for a talented player to have better ratings than say, a more productive player. Raw talent shouldn’t equal mega ratings (and in comparison to the other players, these are some mega ratings).
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Post by duce on Nov 27, 2006 19:36:20 GMT -5
mark's cleanin house lol
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Post by duce on Nov 27, 2006 19:37:48 GMT -5
Mark, I've watched some Warrior games and I just think Jrich doesn't get as many open shots as he should. And for Baron, I think he's more than raw talent, he just doesn't always put it all on that line.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 19:50:19 GMT -5
Mark, only Aaron is really agreeing with you, what does that say?
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 19:59:14 GMT -5
Mark, only Aaron is really agreeing with you, what does that say? The argument has gone from what Baron's ratings are to what type of player he is (or how he should be defined). No one has really agreed with the actual ratings you've given him, because they're way too high when you're starting off a guy like Manu as relative crap in comparison.
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 27, 2006 19:59:24 GMT -5
Mark I have had enough of this tirade on Golden State. Be gone.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:02:50 GMT -5
Mark, you have no idea what kind of potential ratings I planned on giving him. Honestly Im just sick of you and Aaron going on a tirade when neither of you know what I have planned. This is by far the most annoyed Ive been at any point of BBS. You both need to chill the fuck out.
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 20:03:08 GMT -5
Way to prove my point. We have like, seven or so Warrior fans in this sim, and that's where a lot of the backing is coming from.
Spence, answer these questions for me:
1. Where do you view Baron as a PG right now? 2. What do you predict Baron will turn into ratings-wise down the line? 3. Where will he rank in terms of overall players, not just PG's (in the sim)?
Because the way I see it, he's going to end up being more than a top PG, he'll be a franchise player. And he's not that player, so I don't see why we're willingly creating him into one (because he's a Warrior).
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:04:13 GMT -5
This is the kinda shit that makes me not wanna do the draft like this. Ive put so much time an effort into the draft and I think this is a cool feature, but if you guys continue to bitch and moan its just gonna kill it for everyone else.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:05:28 GMT -5
Way to prove my point. We have like, seven or so Warrior fans in this sim, and that's where a lot of the backing is coming from. Spence, answer these questions for me: 1. Where do you view Baron as a PG right now? 2. What do you predict Baron will turn into ratings-wise down the line? 3. Where will he rank in terms of overall players, not just PG's (in the sim)? Because the way I see it, he's going to end up being more than a top PG, he'll be a franchise player. And he's not that player, so I don't see why we're willingly creating him into one (because he's a Warrior). Mark, you dont know anything except what I tell you as far as BBS goes. Keep that in mind, You dont have FBB, and if you do you certainly havent spent as much time as I have on it.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:06:05 GMT -5
Way to prove my point? Youre talking out of your ass, that statement means nothing.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 27, 2006 20:08:03 GMT -5
ok heres my take.
1) baron davis is rated very highly. we all see this. 2) spencer knows we see this, but still is saying that we don't know what were talking about therefore, 3) most likely his actual potential is lower than what we are all imagining it to be therefore, 4) he will end up not being as good as his ratings above would have us predict.
so i say we trust spencer, until he proves us otherwise.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:10:47 GMT -5
Its just fucking lame. I cant be creative with draft classes unles you guys trust me. I have given no one reason to not trust Ill do a good job, yet I got Mark and Aaron over here saying this sucks, or that sucks. Why dont you guys try running a league? Oh wait, we tried that already. You both need to STFU and let me run this league. I dont care if you dont like the ratings. I dont care if you think things are skewed. Your opinions meant something at some point, but you guys are being so selfish, and completely untrusting that they mean nothing now.
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 27, 2006 20:11:58 GMT -5
game....set....match
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:14:20 GMT -5
ok heres my take. 1) baron davis is rated very highly. we all see this. 2) spencer knows we see this, but still is saying that we don't know what were talking about therefore, 3) most likely his actual potential is lower than what we are all imagining it to be therefore, 4) he will end up not being as good as his ratings above would have us predict. so i say we trust spencer, until he proves us otherwise. Yep, baron was gonna have 75 or 80 potential to have him top out at about B B- A- B+ C which wouldve made him very good, but not a star. He was gonna turn the ball voer alot, because well, he does. he was gonna be a pretty bad FT and 3 point shooter, cause well he is. But now the surprise is gone. Thanks Mark and Aaron. Well done.
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 27, 2006 20:16:16 GMT -5
Are we honestly debating Potential Sim Ratings for a person in this league. Spencer is obviously gonna give a little edge to Golden State players because that is his team and its only natural to be biased. Im sure if Aaron did Knicks ratings are Mark did Nets Ratings then some people would get upset too because its only natural to favor our teams players. Honestly this is the most retarted thread I have ever seen.
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 20:18:17 GMT -5
Way to prove my point? Youre talking out of your ass, that statement means nothing. Thanks tough guy, but 'way to prove my point' was to Pig's post. I'm talking out of my ass, yet all you're responding with is "I have more time with the software" etc, instead of answering the questions I asked you. Just answer the questions, and maybe you can convince me. Obviously you have final say (or, well, the only say, as it's becoming increasingly clear), but would it hurt to try and get someone else on your side? I don't expect for a minute that you're giving Baron average potential, so I don't really get that idea. We're going to start him that high, and then crap out on his potential? Really? Doubt it.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:18:59 GMT -5
The thing is, Baron wasnt gonna be better then he is. I like him as a player, but I still wasnt gonna make him be a franchise type guy. He was gonna have mediocre real potential ratings because he hasnt progressed like he shouldve in the NBA. Richardson is a player I love, and yet his ratings coming out are gonna be B- C+ C- C C- A, with high real potential, cause thats what he deserves.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:20:13 GMT -5
Way to prove my point? Youre talking out of your ass, that statement means nothing. Thanks tough guy, but 'way to prove my point' was to Pig's post. I'm talking out of my ass, yet all you're responding with is "I have more time with the software" etc, instead of answering the questions I asked you. Just answer the questions, and maybe you can convince me. Obviously you have final say (or, well, the only say, as it's becoming increasingly clear), but would it hurt to try and get someone else on your side? I don't expect for a minute that you're giving Baron average potential, so I don't really get that idea. We're going to start him that high, and then crap out on his potential? Really? Doubt it. Mark, seriously, I cant stand your attitude. Youre being a total bitch and Im done with you in this thread. If youre gonna be like this, BBS can do with out ya.
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Post by Mark on Nov 27, 2006 20:20:31 GMT -5
Its just fucking lame. I cant be creative with draft classes unles you guys trust me. I have given no one reason to not trust Ill do a good job, yet I got Mark and Aaron over here saying this sucks, or that sucks. Why dont you guys try running a league? Oh wait, we tried that already. You both need to STFU and let me run this league. I dont care if you dont like the ratings. I dont care if you think things are skewed. Your opinions meant something at some point, but you guys are being so selfish, and completely untrusting that they mean nothing now. Selfish? How am I at all trying to improve my situation here? That makes no sense whatsoever. Cool the ridiculous personal remarks, because you started all of that crap. Present your side, instead of playing the 'superior' card that you are so clearly using.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:23:08 GMT -5
Superior card? You dont know what the fuck I had planned for Baron. You dont. You say that you do, but you dont. Bottom line, youre wrong. Aaron is wrong. the end.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 27, 2006 20:49:59 GMT -5
Baron Davis thinks the BBS is full of a bunch of fruit cakes and is going to Europe for a year.
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Post by GP on Nov 27, 2006 21:21:55 GMT -5
can we please lock this thread now? lol
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Post by Dan on Nov 27, 2006 21:23:35 GMT -5
i say who gives a fuck and just let things flow. i dont care how their rated im just here to have some fucking fun. thats all i gotta say.
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