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Post by nybombers3 on Feb 8, 2007 3:01:45 GMT -5
Well maybe if the Webber deal would have been vetoed that could have been avoided. Just saying. Guys should be motivated by the deals but then again it is frustrating to see so many guys willing bend over so can't fault them for being frustrated. I completely disagree with so many different people in this thread, its pretty amazing. Which part of what he said did you disagree with?
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:03:08 GMT -5
Well you are the commish so regardless you have the last say. If you want to veto it then do it dont succumb to peer pressure. Im also reasonable. If 5 people have one perspective and I have a different one, Im not gonna just continue to be unrealistic in what the right decision is. Nobody agreed with me, and Im not so stubborn as to stick with a decision that no one likes. Doesnt mean I dont have a completely different view of this sim, or alot of the GMs in it.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:04:47 GMT -5
I completely disagree with so many different people in this thread, its pretty amazing. Which part of what he said did you disagree with? Ive already stated over and over again why I didnt veto the Webber deal, and why I vetoed this deal. Im just tired of trying to explain myself when I already have. The webber deal to me was a completely different scenario. It was a guy getting raped because he was a noob. This is a guy getting raped cause he didnt care.
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Post by duce on Feb 8, 2007 3:06:07 GMT -5
I feel as though it is important to have responsibility for the league, not just yourself or your team. Ive run this league on the belief that people care about it as much as I do, but then stuff like this happens and I realize they dont. Its fun, its good, its active, but when it comes down to it people will do whats best for themeselves 99% of the time and to me thats very discouraging. But whatever, that doesnt really matter. Ill just put the trades through and sim. you know, to be fair... i chased this deal because i care about the league and really want to prove that i can compete at the top... and for that matter i'm sure riley does the same thing. i don't know that it's fair to just say "so and so doesn't care badly about the league because they got ripped off". i 100% understand it when it happens with detroit over and over and over again, but i feel this trade wasn't the same thing(i don't think pig carelessly acted out of selfishness). i wanna add that i understood why you vetoed it initially. i didn't necessarily agree with it but the points were valid. to be honest i think everyone is just completely over reacting ever since webber got dealt for #12 overall. if a deal similar to this happens and that other deal(webber) doesn't exist... and that gm was just frustrated(like say habes situation for example) then this nix would have never even been a possibility. i have no problem with the values you set for the league, i'm actually kind of glad that you care enough to step in - in this kind of situation, but i think it was a little much.
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Post by nybombers3 on Feb 8, 2007 3:06:19 GMT -5
Got ya.
I understand your point. I was just checking because I do think his 2nd point makes sense.
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 8, 2007 3:06:41 GMT -5
Which part of what he said did you disagree with? Ive already stated over and over again why I didnt veto the Webber deal, and why I vetoed this deal. Im just tired of trying to explain myself when I already have. The webber deal to me was a completely different scenario. It was a guy getting raped because he was a noob. This is a guy getting raped cause he didnt care. I traded him for two picks I thought would be good, give me a break will you.
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Post by Outlawz on Feb 8, 2007 3:06:56 GMT -5
Well you are the commish so regardless you have the last say. If you want to veto it then do it dont succumb to peer pressure. Im also reasonable. If 5 people have one perspective and I have a different one, Im not gonna just continue to be unrealistic in what the right decision is. Nobody agreed with me, and Im not so stubborn as to stick with a decision that no one likes. Doesnt mean I dont have a completely different view of this sim, or alot of the GMs in it. Your the one that puts in all the effort and work. You weren't being totally unreasonable in your thoughts as to why. Although, did serve a purpose in that it warned guys so its not like nothing came out of it but it just wasn't fair to the Pacers or the league in general specially after that Pistons deal was put through.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:08:18 GMT -5
Ive already stated over and over again why I didnt veto the Webber deal, and why I vetoed this deal. Im just tired of trying to explain myself when I already have. The webber deal to me was a completely different scenario. It was a guy getting raped because he was a noob. This is a guy getting raped cause he didnt care. I traded him for two picks I thought would be good, give me a break will you. All I can do is rip guys when they make bad deals. I cant veto them.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:12:15 GMT -5
Im also reasonable. If 5 people have one perspective and I have a different one, Im not gonna just continue to be unrealistic in what the right decision is. Nobody agreed with me, and Im not so stubborn as to stick with a decision that no one likes. Doesnt mean I dont have a completely different view of this sim, or alot of the GMs in it. Your the one that puts in all the effort and work. You weren't being totally unreasonable in your thoughts as to why. Although, did serve a purpose in that it warned guys so its not like nothing came out of it but it just wasn't fair to the Pacers or the league in general specially after that Pistons deal was put through. I let the Webber deal go through thinking that if I ripped it enough, no one else would trade with Reilly. People would see how bad it was for the league, and they wouldnt do it. I didnt plan on Habes trading with Reilly less then 24 hours later.
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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 8, 2007 3:25:43 GMT -5
I feel what Spencer is saying, also I think that Spencer is using like a three strike rule. He has told everyone twice and some gms still did the same thing. I very early on did alot of stuff liek this too Pig in old BBS when it 1st started I got fustrated and tore my team down and to spite some gms I dealt guys away very cheap. Also to defend Duce he doesnt offer bad deals I think he offered a player and at leasts 3 1sts for one of my pgs.
Im veyr pissed though that I get no love for my own picks that are legendary and should be treated as gold in deals. Everyone ask me for so much every time i even ask for a damn bench guy. What Im trying to say is someone give me some love damnit with a lopsided trade.
I cant post for awhile and then I see fights going on here how inmature guys lol.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:26:46 GMT -5
Lums is saying were immature? Ouch.
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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 8, 2007 3:27:27 GMT -5
Also where Spencer is coming from some of us are trying to win very badly and it like a kick in the gutt every time you see these type of deals when you work so hard. Its like having the referees giving the other team every single call.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:28:55 GMT -5
Ya, its like playing Dwyane Wade in the finals. You dont have a chance!
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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 8, 2007 3:29:03 GMT -5
At least none of you guys lost a superstar in his prime today after you offer him a 7 year max deal. So look at the bright side could be worse.
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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 8, 2007 3:30:00 GMT -5
I think it makes people purposely tank, I no Ive had that feeling.
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 8, 2007 3:30:19 GMT -5
I don't know whos acting immature here.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:32:20 GMT -5
I don't know whos acting immature here. Trade me a PF. Why are you still awake?
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 8, 2007 3:33:17 GMT -5
Dont know
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 3:34:11 GMT -5
Im going to sleep.
Trade me a PF.
I dont want Fortson he sucks.
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Post by GP on Feb 8, 2007 3:36:30 GMT -5
And to think, Pig could have had Ray Allen, Steve Nash, and Peja Stojakovic as well as his boy Fortson. But then I prolly wouldnt have won another championship ;D so thanks Pig. On that note, good nite.
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Post by jahallstar on Feb 8, 2007 3:44:47 GMT -5
I still don't understand who the spite was against You didnt see the large amount of dissapointment from the AI trade? You didnt see Andy put his 2 best players on the block. You didnt see Pig start the Sonic give away block? To me it was a very definite change in attitude from many GMs. The spite to me was that Pig thought he had no chance to compete, so why not just trade anyone. And in that process he got poor value for a good player. I fully understand what your point is. I just think you picked the wrong trade to make it. I don't think Andre Miller is that good. Grant Hill just got 2 mid 1sts for him. And yes he's not great but he is good for 23/8/4 more than likely. At Dre's peak I see him as 12/5/8.5
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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 8, 2007 3:58:50 GMT -5
Hey Ill take Fortson
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 8, 2007 8:10:17 GMT -5
And to think, Pig could have had Ray Allen, Steve Nash, and Peja Stojakovic as well as his boy Fortson. But then I prolly wouldnt have won another championship ;D so thanks Pig. On that note, good nite. I dealt JO for Fortson, the plan was to deal JO for Allen
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Post by Spencer on Feb 8, 2007 11:36:07 GMT -5
trade in
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