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Post by crazymike2021 on Dec 5, 2007 21:13:05 GMT -5
Atlanta : P Pedro Martinez, 20,000,000 per year, for 5 years. Colorado : P Troy Percival, 9,000,000 per year, for 1 year. San Francisco : 1B Greg Colbrunn, 800,000 per year, for 1 year. Baltimore : C Wiki Gonzalez, 800,000 per year, for 2 years. Baltimore : RF Danny Bautista, 450,000 per year, for 1 year. St. Louis : P Pete Walker, 1,500,000 per year, for 1 year. Boston : P Danny Patterson, 2,000,000 per year, for 2 years. Colorado : C Todd Greene, 850,000 per year, for 2 years. Boston : P Mike Myers, 1,360,000 per year, for 4 years. Baltimore : P Chad Fox, 800,000 per year, for 2 years. Cleveland : P Scott Strickland, 1,100,000 per year, for 3 years.
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Post by bbednarko on Dec 5, 2007 21:15:30 GMT -5
Atlanta : P Pedro Martinez, 20,000,000 per year, for 5 years. Ridiculous.
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:16:21 GMT -5
No one. I was spoiled with Anderson on the first day. I figured that happened a lot. Got out-bid for Wiki by 50,000 dollars which sucks. Gave the same offer to Danny Patterson, maybe it was only for one year though. I just want to see if these guys liked my offers.
Atlanta got Pedro fairly cheap, IMO. I know, everyone is going to flip on a 20 million/year contract. But considering the state of FA, 20/year for such a stud pitcher is fine by me.
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:17:03 GMT -5
Atlanta : P Pedro Martinez, 20,000,000 per year, for 5 years. Ridiculous. I was going to give him over 20, until I decided to go for 3 instead of 1. Those are the offers studs get in this league.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 5, 2007 21:18:44 GMT -5
no one again
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Post by Nanz on Dec 5, 2007 21:19:41 GMT -5
all i know is that when my top players hit free angency im not letting them go. Damn
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Post by bbednarko on Dec 5, 2007 21:20:07 GMT -5
Atlanta got Pedro fairly cheap, IMO. I know, everyone is going to flip on a 20 million/year contract. But considering the state of FA, 20/year for such a stud pitcher is fine by me. He is 33. Let's see how "cheap" that $20M/per looks when he is 37. Re: Brown, Kevin. I bet LA is LOVING paying him $10M.
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Post by PB on Dec 5, 2007 21:21:18 GMT -5
Damn I offered him 20 M for 4 yrs...oh well...
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Post by crazymike2021 on Dec 5, 2007 21:21:56 GMT -5
Atlanta got Pedro fairly cheap, IMO. I know, everyone is going to flip on a 20 million/year contract. But considering the state of FA, 20/year for such a stud pitcher is fine by me. He is 33. Let's see how "cheap" that $20M/per looks when he is 37. Re: Brown, Kevin. I bet LA is LOVING paying him $10M. Soo True
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Post by Nanz on Dec 5, 2007 21:22:49 GMT -5
I wonder who hel get when and if he decides to trade him with that salary. But then again with willis pedro and burhle.. looks pretty damn good.
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:23:25 GMT -5
My original offer was 18.5 a year for 4 years. I wasn't going to give him 5, so in that regard, it's a lot. But for a minimum of two of those years, he's going to be what, a top-5 pitcher in the sim? He'll win some of it back with his accomplishments, and it'll make it more interesting to have the ace. At least, that was my thinking on a 4 year deal. 5 years is harder to justify, because he's not going to be an ace at the end of the deal. Pretty much no chance. But he was going to get that kind of deal, and I don't fault Martinez for giving it to him.
It doesn't show that you need to lock your guys up, though. Berkman just got 55 million over 5 years, if I remember right. What would he have gotten in the open market?
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Post by Nanz on Dec 5, 2007 21:26:24 GMT -5
just about the same i say for berkman than maggs and anderson got maybe a bit more. But houston didint have to compete with 29 other gms.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 5, 2007 21:27:02 GMT -5
Five years is the only problem with the signing. If you can develop a good system and keep some great young players on your team, good for you for having money to toss around in FA.
I can't say I regret what I gave Vlad. He's not worth it, but I won and he's definitely a superstar hitter.
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Post by PB on Dec 5, 2007 21:28:10 GMT -5
I've noticed that hitters tend to go into a huge decline once they are 35 (Biggio hit under .200 last year Bagwell batted under .200 this year). What is the shelf life for a pitcher in this League. Will Pedro still be Pedro when he is 38? Does anyone think that players decline way too quickly at too young an age in this League?
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:28:24 GMT -5
Five years is the only problem with the signing. If you can develop a good system and keep some great young players on your team, good for you for having money to toss around in FA. I can't say I regret what I gave Vlad. He's not worth it, but I won and he's definitely a superstar hitter. I agree. 25 million is a lot, but if I were you, I'd do it again. You won. 5 years is the problem, but this is what players cost on the open market.
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:30:13 GMT -5
I've noticed that hitters tend to go into a huge decline once they are 35 (Biggio hit under .200 last year Bagwell batted under .200 this year). What is the shelf life for a pitcher in this League. Will Pedro still be Pedro when he is 38? Does anyone think that players decline way too quickly at too young an age in this League? Obviously I'm still getting used to the league, but my guess is there is no real formula. Sheffield just had 130 RBI at age 35. Biggio and Bagwell didn't exactly continue their success into the middle of this decade, so I wouldn't have been surprised to see a sharp decline (although under .200 is pretty bad).
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:30:58 GMT -5
just about the same i say for berkman than maggs and anderson got maybe a bit more. But houston didint have to compete with 29 other gms. Berkman would have gotten more. He'd have been my number one option over Magglio and Anderson for sure, and I threw 13+ at both of them.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 5, 2007 21:31:35 GMT -5
I've noticed that hitters tend to go into a huge decline once they are 35 (Biggio hit under .200 last year Bagwell batted under .200 this year). What is the shelf life for a pitcher in this League. Will Pedro still be Pedro when he is 38? Does anyone think that players decline way too quickly at too young an age in this League? Obviously I'm still getting used to the league, but my guess is there is no real formula. Sheffield just had 130 RBI at age 35. Biggio and Bagwell didn't exactly continue their success into the middle of this decade, so I wouldn't have been surprised to see a sharp decline (although under .200 is pretty bad). I've heard a lot about older guys have unrealistic declines mid-season. But I haven't experienced it.
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Post by Nanz on Dec 5, 2007 21:32:42 GMT -5
exactly so it was a great move on signing him and not letting him touch FA. Which is what im saying that when my top players come around im gonna try very hard to try to keep them and not let them go to FA.
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:34:30 GMT -5
exactly so it was a great move on signing him and not letting him touch FA. Which is what im saying that when my top players come around im gonna try very hard to try to keep them and not let them go to FA. Had no idea what the hell you were arguing about, until I realized I wrote "doesn't" not "does". I meant to write "It does show that you need to lock your guys up, though".
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Post by PB on Dec 5, 2007 21:35:01 GMT -5
I would understand Bagwell's decline if his ratings and weekly development said he was in decline. However his ratings and everything else read that were the same as they were the year before (when he had a 30+ HR 100+ RBI season)! Very confusing.
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Post by Nanz on Dec 5, 2007 21:36:21 GMT -5
exactly so it was a great move on signing him and not letting him touch FA. Which is what im saying that when my top players come around im gonna try very hard to try to keep them and not let them go to FA. Had no idea what the hell you were arguing about, until I realized I wrote "doesn't" not "does". I meant to write "It does show that you need to lock your guys up, though". haha halla wer on the same page then.
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Post by PB on Dec 5, 2007 21:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by Nanz on Dec 5, 2007 21:37:36 GMT -5
I would understand Bagwell's decline if his ratings and weekly development said he was in decline. However his ratings and everything else read that were the same as they were the year before (when he had a 30+ HR 100+ RBI season)! Very confusing. Maybe the game decided that berkman was one of the players who took steriods and they decided to make him suck this year to show he was off them? i dk
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Post by Mark on Dec 5, 2007 21:39:20 GMT -5
Or maybe he was talking about Bagwell? Idiot.
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