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Post by Spencer on Aug 13, 2007 18:29:22 GMT -5
I cant believe Dave is still upset about this. Kinda funny.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 18:30:09 GMT -5
All the players DJ had were raw. I give him a lot of credit for tanking the job as Tanking coordinator because he gets a ton of shit for it. Hes done a great job by the way. The whole league was raw. I won more games with Wang Zhi Zhi and Dino Radja as my starting front court and Tyus Edney as my starting PG. Nigga pleaaaaaaase
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 18:31:13 GMT -5
I cant believe Dave is still upset about this. Kinda funny. not upset I just found it hilarious that DJ called out Galo saying he should be able to rebuild and make the playoffs in 4 years when DJ clearly didn't do that himself.
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Post by Spencer on Aug 13, 2007 18:32:38 GMT -5
Well, I developed new rules to stop DJ. And Ive developed new rules to stop you. So I guess youre both in the same boat.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 18:33:46 GMT -5
Well, I developed new rules to stop DJ. And Ive developed new rules to stop you. So I guess youre both in the same boat. rules to stop me? hard cap?
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 18:38:23 GMT -5
What's your point? The rules in place now werent in place after the restart. Yes... I won two Ships... and yes, I got Oden. Deal with it. Look at the hypocrisy and DJ I don't have to say anything to you or about you what I stated above is pretty clear cut and everyone knows how you won. Cool you got Oden I put together a quality franchise and won... I tanked to get good talent, as did you and the latest winner, New York. As usual your comments dont make sense... the sad thing is you probably believe that they do. In order for me to be a hypocrite, the rules that are in places now, would have to have been in place since the restart. They werent. Therefore, there is no contradiction. And as pointed out, after the third season, there was substantial improvement, which is what we are asking of everyone right now after 3 seasons. How is that different than what I did? It isnt. You can try and spin it anyway you want, and im sure you will... but the truth is, your jealousy is getting really old.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 18:47:52 GMT -5
Look at the hypocrisy and DJ I don't have to say anything to you or about you what I stated above is pretty clear cut and everyone knows how you won. Cool you got Oden I put together a quality franchise and won... I tanked to get good talent, as did you and the latest winner, New York. As usual your comments dont make sense... the sad thing is you probably believe that they do. In order for me to be a hypocrite, the rules that are in places now, would have to have been in place since the restart. They werent. Therefore, there is no contradiction. And as pointed out, after the third season, there was substantial improvement, which is what we are asking of everyone right now after 3 seasons. How is that different than what I did? It isnt. You can try and spin it anyway you want, and im sure you will... but the truth is, your jealousy is getting really old. hahaha I feel bad for you, I knew some bullshit like this was coming soon. Jealous HAHA, I maybe loved or hated in this league but one thing is for sure I know I am well respected and I'm very confident in my abilities. I lost the first season and improved drastically every season and how did Outlawz tank? Tell me. He's done a great job building that team as we both won the right way unlike yourself.
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 19:04:49 GMT -5
I put together a quality franchise and won... I tanked to get good talent, as did you and the latest winner, New York. As usual your comments dont make sense... the sad thing is you probably believe that they do. In order for me to be a hypocrite, the rules that are in places now, would have to have been in place since the restart. They werent. Therefore, there is no contradiction. And as pointed out, after the third season, there was substantial improvement, which is what we are asking of everyone right now after 3 seasons. How is that different than what I did? It isnt. You can try and spin it anyway you want, and im sure you will... but the truth is, your jealousy is getting really old. hahaha I feel bad for you, I knew some bullshit like this was coming soon. Jealous HAHA, I maybe loved or hated in this league but one thing is for sure I know I am well respected and I'm very confident in my abilities. I lost the first season and improved drastically every season and how did Outlawz tank? Tell me. He's done a great job building that team as we both won the right way unlike yourself. He tanked and got Yao(and I never said that was a bad thing either). You tanked and got Brand and Manu. Getting a Yao or Brand makes it a lot easier to win. It's amazing how you can so vehemently vilify me for something you did yourself. That is hypocrisy. But we knew that about you already. The right way.... yea, keep up the self-aggrandizement... im sure you need lots of it.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 19:30:49 GMT -5
hahaha I feel bad for you, I knew some bullshit like this was coming soon. Jealous HAHA, I maybe loved or hated in this league but one thing is for sure I know I am well respected and I'm very confident in my abilities. I lost the first season and improved drastically every season and how did Outlawz tank? Tell me. He's done a great job building that team as we both won the right way unlike yourself. He tanked and got Yao(and I never said that was a bad thing either). You tanked and got Brand and Manu. Getting a Yao or Brand makes it a lot easier to win. It's amazing how you can so vehemently vilify me for something you did yourself. That is hypocrisy. But we knew that about you already. The right way.... yea, keep up the self-aggrandizement... im sure you need lots of it. How many times do I have to tell you I acquired Manu from a trade! I drafted Mike Miller with the 9th pick which was my own. I believe you were 4th pick that year. You had T-mac who was just as much of a stud as Brand was at the time. I traded away all my players and lost 1 season you had players and lost 4 years straight, major difference. I mean this isn't even fair for you to try and argue against this, you just look stupid.
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Post by Outlawz on Aug 13, 2007 19:41:38 GMT -5
There's a big difference between tanking and rebuilding. In my mind at least
Tanking - You have talent but yet do things to your dc to purposely lose
Rebuilding - You have no talent, you lose, you hopefully get a franchise player and continually strive to get better.
I did it the proper way. DJ did it the shady way.
1st year of rebuild i traded away all my picks for future picks, 2nd year of rebuild i land the 3rd pick and get Yao 3rd year i get hinrich 4th year i make the playoffs
I built my team through trades and picks. Not by tryin to lose for as many years as possible.
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 19:54:02 GMT -5
He tanked and got Yao(and I never said that was a bad thing either). You tanked and got Brand and Manu. Getting a Yao or Brand makes it a lot easier to win. It's amazing how you can so vehemently vilify me for something you did yourself. That is hypocrisy. But we knew that about you already. The right way.... yea, keep up the self-aggrandizement... im sure you need lots of it. How many times do I have to tell you I acquired Manu from a trade! I drafted Mike Miller with the 9th pick which was my own. I believe you were 4th pick that year. You had T-mac who was just as much of a stud as Brand was at the time. I traded away all my players and lost 1 season you had players and lost 4 years straight, major difference. I mean this isn't even fair for you to try and argue against this, you just look stupid. Tmac has never been as good as Brand at any point in their careers. You tanked for Brand. You did every thing you could to make your team as bad as possible to ensure yourself the best pick possible that draft. That is tanking. I lost 4 straight years with players that were raw. Redd sucked until about two seasons ago. Ak sucked until the last season of his rookie contract. Tmac took a number of years to develop as well. I drafted them because I thought they all had potential to become very good, but I knew that it would take awhile... and it did. Plus, there werent any worthwhile FA's during the first few years after the restart, which always happens when you draft teams. Now, there are always a number of good players that teams can sign to help them win games, so getting better is actually easier to do now. As for Manu, this is the first time youve stated to me that it wasnt your own pick... Knowing you, you are probably making that up... since it could have easily been the other way around. You had 34 wins at the end of 1999... which was right before the Manu draft. Even if you are telling the truth, you still tanked for Brand, even if you choose to not see it that way.
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 19:55:09 GMT -5
There's a big difference between tanking and rebuilding. In my mind at least Tanking - You have talent but yet do things to your dc to purposely lose Rebuilding - You have no talent, you lose, you hopefully get a franchise player and continually strive to get better. I did it the proper way. DJ did it the shady way. 1st year of rebuild i traded away all my picks for future picks, 2nd year of rebuild i land the 3rd pick and get Yao 3rd year i get hinrich 4th year i make the playoffs I built my team through trades and picks. Not by tryin to lose for as many years as possible. You tanked and got Yao. Of course you are going to try and say that isnt what you did to make yourself look better... but that is what happened. There are no degrees of tanking.
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 19:58:33 GMT -5
1st year of rebuild i traded away all my picks for future picks
This is tanking... you made no real effort to win.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 20:26:10 GMT -5
1st year of rebuild i traded away all my picks for future picksThis is tanking... you made no real effort to win. LoL DJ Please stop. Yes I traded away all my players for an exuberant amount of draft picks. I then tried my hardest with the team I had to win. This is why I won with Dino Radja, Wang Zhi Zhi, Tyus Edney while you lost with Tmac, AK, Redd, and Arenas. Can you really argue with that? You dig yourself deeper and deeper we all know how much you tanked in order to win. If you really want to compare 1 losing season I had to your 4, go ahead.
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Post by duce on Aug 13, 2007 20:58:26 GMT -5
i'm cooler than all you guys.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 21:14:46 GMT -5
How many times do I have to tell you I acquired Manu from a trade! I drafted Mike Miller with the 9th pick which was my own. I believe you were 4th pick that year. You had T-mac who was just as much of a stud as Brand was at the time. I traded away all my players and lost 1 season you had players and lost 4 years straight, major difference. I mean this isn't even fair for you to try and argue against this, you just look stupid. Tmac has never been as good as Brand at any point in their careers. You tanked for Brand. You did every thing you could to make your team as bad as possible to ensure yourself the best pick possible that draft. That is tanking. I lost 4 straight years with players that were raw. Redd sucked until about two seasons ago. Ak sucked until the last season of his rookie contract. Tmac took a number of years to develop as well. I drafted them because I thought they all had potential to become very good, but I knew that it would take awhile... and it did. Plus, there werent any worthwhile FA's during the first few years after the restart, which always happens when you draft teams. Now, there are always a number of good players that teams can sign to help them win games, so getting better is actually easier to do now. As for Manu, this is the first time youve stated to me that it wasnt your own pick... Knowing you, you are probably making that up... since it could have easily been the other way around. You had 34 wins at the end of 1999... which was right before the Manu draft. Even if you are telling the truth, you still tanked for Brand, even if you choose to not see it that way. If acquiring over 15 first round picks for Zo, Sheed, and KVH is tanking call me guilty. Tmac was putting up 23ppg when the league was not full of talent and he was considered to be a top 5 talent. A raw Redd and AK were > Dino Radja and Wang Zhi Zhi. I traded away Minny's pick to Kevin(Miami) for the #7 selection. I was afraid that Mike Miller wouldn't pan out and I wasn't sure on who to take so I got the pick from Kevin to take Manu even though I tried desperately to move up trying to convince Andy to trade down so I could get Odom if Aig took Martin but that never panned out. By you not adding anything in free agency and even trying to bench Redd in favor of Mike Dickerson you wouldn't call that trying to do everything you could not to win? If you kept losing your DC remained the same but yet when you hit a win streak it was time to change up the DC. You can say your team was raw but so was mine, Jamal Crawford and Mike Miller are still raw ha! DJ we can go on forever the whole league knows what you did, don't try and condone what you did and condemn Outlawz and I for doing what we did because we are at two different ends of the spectrum.
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 21:28:28 GMT -5
1st year of rebuild i traded away all my picks for future picksThis is tanking... you made no real effort to win. LoL DJ Please stop. Yes I traded away all my players for an exuberant amount of draft picks. I then tried my hardest with the team I had to win. This is why I won with Dino Radja, Wang Zhi Zhi, Tyus Edney while you lost with Tmac, AK, Redd, and Arenas. Can you really argue with that? You dig yourself deeper and deeper we all know how much you tanked in order to win. If you really want to compare 1 losing season I had to your 4, go ahead. You gutted your team so you could land a top pick. That is tanking. I never compared myself to anyone(one of many arguments you made up over the years to suit yourself). I said there are no degrees of tanking. You either tanked or you didnt. You did. You can claim "you tried your hardest"... but that is nothing more than a claim, which, of course, you are going to say because it suits your argument. If 3-4 losing seasons are such a terrible thing, how come you arent condemning some of the current GMs in the league for doing it? Ah, because they are who they are... or perhaps to say it better...because they aren't certain people.
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Post by tmaczdaddy on Aug 13, 2007 21:29:38 GMT -5
Whats this contract year thing about?
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Post by duce on Aug 13, 2007 21:33:32 GMT -5
Whats this contract year thing about? If you're in your contract year, you have to win 60 games or you're gone. Teams get chosen out of random each year to be in their contract year.
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Post by bossplaya on Aug 13, 2007 21:36:23 GMT -5
lol
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 21:38:20 GMT -5
LoL DJ Please stop. Yes I traded away all my players for an exuberant amount of draft picks. I then tried my hardest with the team I had to win. This is why I won with Dino Radja, Wang Zhi Zhi, Tyus Edney while you lost with Tmac, AK, Redd, and Arenas. Can you really argue with that? You dig yourself deeper and deeper we all know how much you tanked in order to win. If you really want to compare 1 losing season I had to your 4, go ahead. You gutted your team so you could land a top pick. That is tanking. I never compared myself to anyone(one of many arguments you made up over the years to suit yourself). I said there are no degrees of tanking. You either tanked or you didnt. You did. You can claim "you tried your hardest"... but that is nothing more than a claim, which, of course, you are going to say because it suits your argument. If 3-4 losing seasons are such a terrible thing, how come you arent condemning some of the current GMs in the league for doing it? Ah, because they are who they are... or perhaps to say it better...because they aren't certain people. Ask Ducky Ask Haberman Ask Manas I've called for all their heads. You are a smart GM and you did a great job of tanking but that is like rewarding a great serial killer for being so smart to get away with what he did. I guess you should feel honored that the Contract Year was established because of you.
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Post by KruPaxson on Aug 13, 2007 21:40:04 GMT -5
Whats this contract year thing about? If you're in your contract year, you have to win 60 games or you're gone. Teams get chosen out of random each year to be in their contract year. Indeed you are so cool. Can't we all be like Duce?
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Post by duce on Aug 13, 2007 21:41:42 GMT -5
fo real.
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Post by djmyte on Aug 13, 2007 21:51:32 GMT -5
Tmac has never been as good as Brand at any point in their careers. You tanked for Brand. You did every thing you could to make your team as bad as possible to ensure yourself the best pick possible that draft. That is tanking. I lost 4 straight years with players that were raw. Redd sucked until about two seasons ago. Ak sucked until the last season of his rookie contract. Tmac took a number of years to develop as well. I drafted them because I thought they all had potential to become very good, but I knew that it would take awhile... and it did. Plus, there werent any worthwhile FA's during the first few years after the restart, which always happens when you draft teams. Now, there are always a number of good players that teams can sign to help them win games, so getting better is actually easier to do now. As for Manu, this is the first time youve stated to me that it wasnt your own pick... Knowing you, you are probably making that up... since it could have easily been the other way around. You had 34 wins at the end of 1999... which was right before the Manu draft. Even if you are telling the truth, you still tanked for Brand, even if you choose to not see it that way. If acquiring over 15 first round picks for Zo, Sheed, and KVH is tanking call me guilty. Tmac was putting up 23ppg when the league was not full of talent and he was considered to be a top 5 talent. A raw Redd and AK were > Dino Radja and Wang Zhi Zhi. I traded away Minny's pick to Kevin(Miami) for the #7 selection. I was afraid that Mike Miller wouldn't pan out and I wasn't sure on who to take so I got the pick from Kevin to take Manu even though I tried desperately to move up trying to convince Andy to trade down so I could get Odom if Aig took Martin but that never panned out. By you not adding anything in free agency and even trying to bench Redd in favor of Mike Dickerson you wouldn't call that trying to do everything you could not to win? If you kept losing your DC remained the same but yet when you hit a win streak it was time to change up the DC. You can say your team was raw but so was mine, Jamal Crawford and Mike Miller are still raw ha! DJ we can go on forever the whole league knows what you did, don't try and condone what you did and condemn Outlawz and I for doing what we did because we are at two different ends of the spectrum. Dickerson was just as good as Redd when he was drafted. After your complaining, Spencer told me to switch it and I did. I never said I didnt tank but, I did play by the rules. My top players were all starters and options. What a Gm chooses to run in terms of setup and style is their own business and should be at their discretion. This is what bothers me most about anything that you say. You make things up to suit yourself. I never condemned anyone for tanking. Ive ALWAYS said if a GM chooses to tank, that is their business. In this very thread, I stated that Outlawz tanked for Yao and the followed it by saying, " which isnt a bad thing"... how does this condemn the action? There is no spectrum. It's about winning. You purposely weakened your team in order to secure a high draft pick... as did Outlawz. That is tanking. The only difference between us on this issue is that you deny what you did. Cheating involves violating rules and using something to your advantage that others aren't able to use. I had the same advantages/disadvantages as everyone else and always followed the rules laid out by the league(Spencer). So, there is no issue here other than your own, personal ones... which isn't anything new. Moving on...
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Post by James on Aug 13, 2007 21:55:39 GMT -5
Move on fuckers, who cares. From what I can see, you all tanked, just in varying levels. FFS.
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