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Post by aaron2344 on Jun 26, 2007 22:32:52 GMT -5
Had an interesting conversation with D2A, and we were disagreeing on a certain point regarding Kidd/Hinrich.
All this being equal, and not including any other year; who do you want as your point guard running your team to try and win the finals?
Kidd Hinrich
Again, this has nothing to do with the future, just the present year and both have the same exact teams.
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Post by Adelaide on Jun 26, 2007 22:33:46 GMT -5
thats like asking Skoal or Timberwolf
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2007 22:34:01 GMT -5
JKIDD BABY
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Post by JDawg on Jun 26, 2007 22:34:20 GMT -5
kidd no doubt. walking triple d and makes everyone better around him.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 26, 2007 22:37:20 GMT -5
Hinrich
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Post by Spencer on Jun 26, 2007 22:42:20 GMT -5
Yikes. I dont understand why the convo would even happen.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 26, 2007 22:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by JDawg on Jun 26, 2007 22:43:47 GMT -5
whoever voted for hinrich please, keep your head down in shame.
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Post by d2acollectables on Jun 26, 2007 22:44:11 GMT -5
How about looking at some stats before going for the name kidd as now hinrich is better in all stats lets look
Jason Kidd PG 24 38.2 7.6 5.1 9.9 1.8 0.2 2.8 .450 .854 .250 Kirk Hinrich PG 37 40.0 13.1 5.5 10.5 2.1 0.1 2.0 .442 .793 .376
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Post by duce on Jun 26, 2007 22:44:55 GMT -5
whoever voted for hinrich please, keep your head down in shame. i think i'll be keeping my head up, actually.
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Post by d2acollectables on Jun 26, 2007 22:45:23 GMT -5
whoever voted for hinrich please, keep your head down in shame. You should have your head down for voting kidd where is he better?
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 26, 2007 22:45:31 GMT -5
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 26, 2007 22:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by duce on Jun 26, 2007 22:47:29 GMT -5
all i know is i don't need a poll to tell me who i decide is better than who.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jun 26, 2007 22:48:01 GMT -5
How about looking at some stats before going for the name kidd as now hinrich is better in all stats lets look Jason Kidd PG 24 38.2 7.6 5.1 9.9 1.8 0.2 2.8 .450 .854 .250 Kirk Hinrich PG 37 40.0 13.1 5.5 10.5 2.1 0.1 2.0 .442 .793 .376 if they only played in the same situation kidd plays in a very slow tempo offense, takes a few shots a game due to the fact he has ridiculous teammates hinrich plays on a team that isn't a playoff team in the west, which says something. it also says that he's a big part and isn't putting up much better numbers than kidd, and a fast paced offense. he's also an option, so he has the ball in his hands more. when kidd was an option, he put up 12 apg stats don't tell it all, have to look a bit deeper
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2007 22:48:24 GMT -5
hinrich is on the worst fucking team in the league and doing those numbers. congrats.
while kidd is on one of the best teams in the league and putting up solid numbers. not to mention he has a young point guard behind him named TJ ford.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jun 26, 2007 22:49:02 GMT -5
and i'm not trying to be a smartass at all...just curious what people thought. we both strongly disagreed, and d2a said put up a poll, i thought it'd be a good way to spark up some conversation.
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Post by d2acollectables on Jun 26, 2007 22:49:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the support sixers i just think its funny when people dont look at stats before they vote. Just going on name value. This argument is for whos the better player now not in the past as the pistons thought they would give kidd for hinrich without adding anything.
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Post by d2acollectables on Jun 26, 2007 22:51:22 GMT -5
Im not the worst damm team and look at all my damm scores that are way ahead of hinrich. Hinrich gets more steals,points and assists and dosent turn the ball over almost 3x a game like kidd, maybe i should slow down my tempo too if thats the argument.
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Post by JDawg on Jun 26, 2007 22:51:32 GMT -5
u take kidd off detr and then they become an OK playoff team. Take Hinrich off memphis, well thats a bad example, since there is no talent surrounding. But anyway, they'd basically be the same.
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Post by d2acollectables on Jun 26, 2007 22:52:41 GMT -5
hinrich is on the worst fucking team in the league and doing those numbers. congrats. while kidd is on one of the best teams in the league and putting up solid numbers. not to mention he has a young point guard behind him named TJ ford. What the hell does ford have to do with this kidd plays like 39 mins a game ford isn't getting many mins a pg to effect kidds stats.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 26, 2007 22:53:03 GMT -5
First off, Grizz aren't even the worst in the West. Anyways, CP3 is on a bad team but I guess his value should be diminished to?
Be serious. Kidd wouldn't make that team any better. Grizzlies have problems but they sure as hell aren't at the PG spot.
Also aaron, I hope that 12 apg stat is from this year, otherwise it isn't valid.
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2007 22:54:10 GMT -5
well you need to make the playoffs, if you want to stay around. 13th place in the west to be exact? you need some kind of help.
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Post by JDawg on Jun 26, 2007 22:54:19 GMT -5
First off, Grizz aren't even the worst in the West. Anyways, CP3 is on a bad team but I guess his value should be diminished to? Be serious. Kidd wouldn't make that team any better. Grizzlies have problems but they sure as hell aren't at the PG spot. Also aaron, I hope that 12 apg stat is from this year, otherwise it isn't valid. ok basically this. Put Hinrich on Grizz they don't make playoffs, put Kidd on Grizz, automatic playoff spot for sure.
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Post by d2acollectables on Jun 26, 2007 22:54:26 GMT -5
u take kidd off detr and then they become an OK playoff team. Take Hinrich off memphis, well thats a bad example, since there is no talent surrounding. But anyway, they'd basically be the same. yea i guess allen/mcdyess/penny/bradley are not talents anymore and allen getting 26ppg is just a fluke when he shoots like 50% downtown and from the field
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