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Post by ducky on Jun 19, 2007 13:38:24 GMT -5
the whole reason why the rule was implemented was so you couldnt build a dynasty completely around tanking, like some people have done over the past couple of years (real years, not bbs years) what rule? The Max rule or the 40 win rule?
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:38:59 GMT -5
I agree with Duce, the 40-win rule should not be retroactive...not at all fair to rebuilding teams since it was just now implemented. you've been in the league how long...a week
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Post by nova on Jun 19, 2007 13:41:04 GMT -5
3 days, but that is not the point here...whatever.
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Post by ducky on Jun 19, 2007 13:41:34 GMT -5
First off Ducky, it's not 1 season's notice. The rule has been in place but you don't think you were on thin ice anyways??? You could have easily signed players to help you improve. You've made countless bad decision after bad decision. Like I stated earlier giving 15 mil 1 yr deals is bad! Hard to trade and you could have gotten them for nearly 50% of that contract. Lets look at this This offseason.... Have... Primoz Brezec 35 mil 4 yr deal Nazr Muhammad 30 mil 3 yr deal Could have had.... Keith Closs 5 mil 1 yr deal Last offseason.... Had... KVH 1 yr 15 mil deal Could have had... Jose Calderon 3 yr 12 mil deal If you would have invested in smarter contracts you could have easily stocked up draft picks into your reserve while still maintaining liquid salary and wait to make your big splash in free agency. You've had countless opportunities to MAX a MAX worthy player, which I'm sure some you've missed out on which is expected. Calderon could command 1-2 firsts pending on situation and need but what could a 15mil KVH command....nothing. You weren't wise in anything you did and you set yourself up for disaster. Andy and Duce can argue in your favor of the 40 win rule being unfair but in actuality it's not even a matter about 40 wins it's about where you have ran this franchise and that is in the ground. Great, I could have add a bunch of average players. Look at my team now, I basically signed some of the top FAs from this class. Boy now look how good my team is .
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:41:38 GMT -5
i thought the situation is looked at. if the person doesn't reach 40, spence looks at the team as a whole, is this wrong? I sure hope he looks at ducky's situation differently, for reasons I've been posting. I'm sure if ducky was aware of all this he may have drafted older players outside of LeBron. who else would he have drafted, excuses excuses. He did fine with his draft picks. It's his lack of free agent acquisitions and bad salary management that has hurt him. He leaves himself with no desirable contracts or players to be traded for future value.
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Post by garf2000 on Jun 19, 2007 13:42:49 GMT -5
the whole reason why the rule was implemented was so you couldnt build a dynasty completely around tanking, like some people have done over the past couple of years (real years, not bbs years) what rule? The Max rule or the 40 win rule? the 40 win rule, i only brought it up because it was being discussed indirectly.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 19, 2007 13:43:03 GMT -5
I want a sim.
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Post by ducky on Jun 19, 2007 13:43:57 GMT -5
what rule? The Max rule or the 40 win rule? the 40 win rule, i only brought it up because it was being discussed indirectly. I don't have any problem with the 40 rule, In fact I like it. It's the MAX rule I don't like. There is essentially no need for it. It just hinders rebuilding teams from being successful. In a way the MAX rule forces teams to tank for consecutive years.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:44:29 GMT -5
First off Ducky, it's not 1 season's notice. The rule has been in place but you don't think you were on thin ice anyways??? You could have easily signed players to help you improve. You've made countless bad decision after bad decision. Like I stated earlier giving 15 mil 1 yr deals is bad! Hard to trade and you could have gotten them for nearly 50% of that contract. Lets look at this This offseason.... Have... Primoz Brezec 35 mil 4 yr deal Nazr Muhammad 30 mil 3 yr deal Could have had.... Keith Closs 5 mil 1 yr deal Last offseason.... Had... KVH 1 yr 15 mil deal Could have had... Jose Calderon 3 yr 12 mil deal If you would have invested in smarter contracts you could have easily stocked up draft picks into your reserve while still maintaining liquid salary and wait to make your big splash in free agency. You've had countless opportunities to MAX a MAX worthy player, which I'm sure some you've missed out on which is expected. Calderon could command 1-2 firsts pending on situation and need but what could a 15mil KVH command....nothing. You weren't wise in anything you did and you set yourself up for disaster. Andy and Duce can argue in your favor of the 40 win rule being unfair but in actuality it's not even a matter about 40 wins it's about where you have ran this franchise and that is in the ground. Great, I could have add a bunch of average players. Look at my team now, I basically signed some of the top FAs from this class. Boy now look how good my team is . Again you miss the point, not surprised, you sign FA talent in hopes to flip that for firsts to help and strengthen your rebuilding process. If you sign 3 decent, nice, average FA's and get 3 firsts for them that is successful. If you sign 3 decent,nice, average FA's and suck and let them walk the following year that is unsuccessful. If you sign mediocre talent to large long term deals that is unsuccessful.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 19, 2007 13:44:56 GMT -5
SOMEONE SIM DAMN IT
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Post by ducky on Jun 19, 2007 13:45:41 GMT -5
Great, I could have add a bunch of average players. Look at my team now, I basically signed some of the top FAs from this class. Boy now look how good my team is . Again you miss the point, not surprised, you sign FA talent in hopes to flip that for firsts to help and strengthen you rebuilding process. If you sign 3 decent, nice, average FA's and get 3 firsts for them that is successful. If you sign 3 decent,nice, average FA's and suck and let them walk the following year that is unsuccessful. If you sign mediocre talent to large long term deals that is unsuccessful. Your still not getting the point. Why would I do that, when I could have some of the best young players, and be a legit contender in 5-6 years. Probably ending up winning a championship...
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Post by duce on Jun 19, 2007 13:46:04 GMT -5
I agree with Duce, the 40-win rule should not be retroactive...not at all fair to rebuilding teams since it was just now implemented. you've been in the league how long...a week so i guess that means he has no opinion? and just because you don't agree with mine it doesn't mean you have to shut anyone who agreed with me down with immature shit. anyone (new or old) can see that a GM with 2 future franchise players and a great future PG is about to get fired. players can only grow so fast, you don't give the likes of DJ and ducky enough credit... not everyone sees building their team team the same way as you do unfortunately.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:46:24 GMT -5
Spence also suggested 1 in season max per 3 seasons...I happened to like that idea. My previous posts were in direct response to Ducky's stupidity about his franchise.
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Post by Bender on Jun 19, 2007 13:47:44 GMT -5
where the helll is galo why is he not answering my pm's
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Post by Bender on Jun 19, 2007 13:49:02 GMT -5
By the way dave jess thinks we are losers cause we were talking bbs while i was at the movies. all she heard was a a- b . she thought we were talking video game codes
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:51:46 GMT -5
Again you miss the point, not surprised, you sign FA talent in hopes to flip that for firsts to help and strengthen you rebuilding process. If you sign 3 decent, nice, average FA's and get 3 firsts for them that is successful. If you sign 3 decent,nice, average FA's and suck and let them walk the following year that is unsuccessful. If you sign mediocre talent to large long term deals that is unsuccessful. Your still not getting the point. Why would I do that, when I could have some of the best young players, and be a legit contender in 5-6 years. Probably ending up winning a championship... Ok wow didn't think I would need to spell this out... You draft Lebron, Smith, West, etc. Great! Keep them while they develop which should be sooner than 4 years. You sign the likes of KVH 8 mil 1 yr, Smith 8 mil 1 yr, Brezec could go either way 4.5 7% increases 4 years or 5 mil 1 yr. You could easily get 3 firsts for those 3 players. Not to mention whatever you get in return maybe you can flip for a first or two. We'll be pessimistic and say 1. So thats 4 firsts and you still have a shitty record and cap space. Next year. You repeat this process. Get another stud via draft another 4 firsts. 3rd year you should be ready to splash in free agency offer a max deal get some talent and you have 8 firsts which are not your own coming up to draft with while your team is on the rise and players enter their prime. 4 yr you should be a contending franchise.
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Post by Bender on Jun 19, 2007 13:52:01 GMT -5
i could bitch too about how ive gotten a raw deal being in the same division with the raptors pacers bulls and pistons but i dont bitch. no one even mentions that the fact is ive been losing to long and i can admit that i should be fired god i hate people making excuses just do ur best to win this season and if u show improvement im sure spence will look at that
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 19, 2007 13:52:58 GMT -5
i could bitch too about how ive gotten a raw deal being in the same division with the raptors pacers bulls and pistons but i dont bitch. Uh, because you'd have no actual point? That's nobody's fault.
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Post by ducky on Jun 19, 2007 13:53:01 GMT -5
Your still not getting the point. Why would I do that, when I could have some of the best young players, and be a legit contender in 5-6 years. Probably ending up winning a championship... Ok wow didn't think I would need to spell this out... You draft Lebron, Smith, West, etc. Great! Keep them while they develop which should be sooner than 4 years. You sign the likes of KVH 8 mil 1 yr, Smith 8 mil 1 yr, Brezec could go either way 4.5 7% increases 4 years or 5 mil 1 yr. You could easily get 3 firsts for those 3 players. Not to mention whatever you get in return maybe you can flip for a first or two. We'll be pessimistic and say 1. So thats 4 firsts and you still have a shitty record and cap space. Next year. You repeat this process. Get another stud via draft another 4 firsts. 3rd year you should be ready to splash in free agency offer a max deal get some talent and you have 8 firsts which are not your own coming up to draft with while your team is on the rise and players enter their prime. 4 yr you should be a contending franchise. 3 firsts for KVH and Joe Smith, are you high?
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:53:02 GMT -5
By the way dave jess thinks we are losers cause we were talking bbs while i was at the movies. all she heard was a a- b . she thought we were talking video game codes haha fuck that hoe
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:54:22 GMT -5
you've been in the league how long...a week so i guess that means he has no opinion? and just because you don't agree with mine it doesn't mean you have to shut anyone who agreed with me down with immature shit. anyone (new or old) can see that a GM with 2 future franchise players and a great future PG is about to get fired. players can only grow so fast, you don't give the likes of DJ and ducky enough credit... not everyone sees building their team team the same way as you do unfortunately. relax duce, he can have an opinion but it won't carry as much weight as GM's that have been in the league for the duration. I've sang Nova's praises in other threads get off my back
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Post by duce on Jun 19, 2007 13:55:47 GMT -5
so i guess that means he has no opinion? and just because you don't agree with mine it doesn't mean you have to shut anyone who agreed with me down with immature shit. anyone (new or old) can see that a GM with 2 future franchise players and a great future PG is about to get fired. players can only grow so fast, you don't give the likes of DJ and ducky enough credit... not everyone sees building their team team the same way as you do unfortunately. relax duce, he can have an opinion but it won't carry as much weight as GM's that have been in the league for the duration. I've sang Nova's praises in other threads get off my back i hate you forever krup!
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:55:58 GMT -5
Ok wow didn't think I would need to spell this out... You draft Lebron, Smith, West, etc. Great! Keep them while they develop which should be sooner than 4 years. You sign the likes of KVH 8 mil 1 yr, Smith 8 mil 1 yr, Brezec could go either way 4.5 7% increases 4 years or 5 mil 1 yr. You could easily get 3 firsts for those 3 players. Not to mention whatever you get in return maybe you can flip for a first or two. We'll be pessimistic and say 1. So thats 4 firsts and you still have a shitty record and cap space. Next year. You repeat this process. Get another stud via draft another 4 firsts. 3rd year you should be ready to splash in free agency offer a max deal get some talent and you have 8 firsts which are not your own coming up to draft with while your team is on the rise and players enter their prime. 4 yr you should be a contending franchise. 3 firsts for KVH and Joe Smith, are you high? Kvh for a future first smith for a future first brezec for a future first Chances are a contending team would toss out a future first for a valuable back/spot starter. Yes this is plausible and No I am not high.
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Post by duce on Jun 19, 2007 13:57:18 GMT -5
nah but it doesn't even matter now, does it... what's funny about that trade is i fail to see how that makes denver any more of a "40 win team" than they were before. i really have to question where they're gonna get their points from.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 19, 2007 13:57:19 GMT -5
i could bitch too about how ive gotten a raw deal being in the same division with the raptors pacers bulls and pistons but i dont bitch. Uh, because you'd have no actual point? That's nobody's fault. At least Bender is a man about things
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