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Post by djmyte on Apr 26, 2007 1:36:59 GMT -5
Giving in already....
Chubz has the Clap!
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Post by gmgreggor on Apr 26, 2007 9:09:05 GMT -5
Baron is especially important because the Warriors dont have alot of good ball handlers. Jackson is probably their 2nd best decision maker. Ellis turns the ball over alot. Richardson too. Barnes is a better ball handler then Richardson and Ellis most of the time. Even if the Warriors dont win another game this series has been great for the Warriors. I dont think they expected to make the playoffs, and theyre still a very young team. Really are they? The Mavs are really just as young as are a few other teams in West. I dont think they have any more time than most the other Western teams really.
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Post by Bender on Apr 26, 2007 9:55:31 GMT -5
do u think tnt was over hyping it a bit on his injury. I find it hard to believe that he has to be carted around just to save energy het he still plays 30 mins a game. im sure hes in pain but tehy made it sound like he is crippled.
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Post by The X-Factor on Apr 26, 2007 11:13:27 GMT -5
how was the game decided with or without Baron out? The Warriors brought it to within 4 with fucking Baron out... they played better when he got EJECTED
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Post by The X-Factor on Apr 26, 2007 11:18:05 GMT -5
Baron is especially important because the Warriors dont have alot of good ball handlers. Jackson is probably their 2nd best decision maker. Ellis turns the ball over alot. Richardson too. Barnes is a better ball handler then Richardson and Ellis most of the time. Even if the Warriors dont win another game this series has been great for the Warriors. I dont think they expected to make the playoffs, and theyre still a very young team. Really are they? The Mavs are really just as young as are a few other teams in West. I dont think they have any more time than most the other Western teams really. Erick Dampier 32, Stackhouse 33, Greg Buckner 31, Austin Croshere, 32 Kevin Willis 70, real young
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Post by duce on Apr 26, 2007 11:22:52 GMT -5
how was the game decided with or without Baron out? The Warriors brought it to within 4 with fucking Baron out... they played better when he got EJECTED honestly nobody has time for your shit chris, go start trouble elsewhere. you just made up that statement for some stupid reason. they got within 8 and it was never close, go fuck yourself. scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=270425006
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 11:38:20 GMT -5
Baron is especially important because the Warriors dont have alot of good ball handlers. Jackson is probably their 2nd best decision maker. Ellis turns the ball over alot. Richardson too. Barnes is a better ball handler then Richardson and Ellis most of the time. Even if the Warriors dont win another game this series has been great for the Warriors. I dont think they expected to make the playoffs, and theyre still a very young team. Really are they? The Mavs are really just as young as are a few other teams in West. I dont think they have any more time than most the other Western teams really. Davis and Jackson are the old guys at like 28 and 29. Barnes is 28, but hes a role player. Harrington 27, JRich 26. The 2 guys I expect a ton from in the future are Ellis and Biedrins, and theyre super young at 21. Maybe they arent the youngest team in the playoffs, but I dont think many playoff teams have 2 21 year olds that should be much better in the future.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 11:39:19 GMT -5
how was the game decided with or without Baron out? The Warriors brought it to within 4 with fucking Baron out... they played better when he got EJECTED honestly nobody has time for your shit chris, go start trouble elsewhere. you just made up that statement for some stupid reason. they got within 8 and it was never close, go fuck yourself. scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=270425006They had a good shot with Baron, and a slim shot without. Regardless, the game friday will pretty much tell how tough the Warriors are. Either they win friday and they push it to 7, or they lose friday and it may just go 5.
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Post by duce on Apr 26, 2007 11:53:17 GMT -5
i could see a split @ GS and a 6 or 7 game series. it'll be tough... i'd be impressed if dallas played such good defense in golden state.
the mavs do have devin harris, diop and a couple others.. howard is entering his prime... i'd say they're just as youthful as anyone.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 11:57:36 GMT -5
I was saying that the Warriors were the youngest team, or comparing them to the Mavs in terms of age, I just made the statement that the Warriors were a very young team, which they are.
The Mavs have some very good young players. Howard is very good. Such a good defender and a good slasher and solid shooter. Harris may never be a true PG but hes super quick, and can become a very good defender. I also like Diop alot, and hes still pretty young.
I think the Mavs need to acquire another young ball handler similar to Terry so harris never has to run the team by himself. Harris strength is not in being the main ball handler, or the distributor.
Harris and Ellis are pretty similar. I see Ellis being a better offensive player, and harris being a better defender.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 12:05:52 GMT -5
Im also interested to see if they can move Pietrus. I dont think hes progressed like the Warriors wanted, and they like Azubuike alot. Maybe moving Pietrus, O'Bryant and the pick this year for a big man that can block shots and defend.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 12:06:09 GMT -5
And they have Sarunas' expiring.
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Post by duce on Apr 26, 2007 12:07:11 GMT -5
You're probably right that Harris will never be that kind of guard but you never know, he has the kind of potential where he's capable of anything. He's a great ball-denial player, obviously cuz of his size and quickness. He's already a ridiculous mismatch(one on one) in the halfcourt against some SGs. Harris is more of a role player, but a very good one.
Ellis' strength seems to be in the open court, thought I remembered hearing he led the league in fast break points which is pretty ridiculous. He has the potential to be a weapon in any situation though.
Ellis will be better, way more comfortable in his jump shot and around the basket. He's a lot more likely to be a player that can be relied on to score big pts in the future. In order for Harris to be as good, he'd have to defy your opinion and become a very good distributor.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 12:10:05 GMT -5
I love Ellis. He reminds me some of Arenas in his first year in Golden State. Hes not a point either though, hes more of a combo. But Ellis is just as quick as Harris, and has a lot more range. Ellis needs to develop a 3 point shot and gain experience. Hes super young being a HS draftee. And Biedrins has been wasted this series. He had such a good 1st half, and really hasnt fit in since the Warriors went super small.
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Post by gmgreggor on Apr 26, 2007 12:28:43 GMT -5
Really are they? The Mavs are really just as young as are a few other teams in West. I dont think they have any more time than most the other Western teams really. Erick Dampier 32, Stackhouse 33, Greg Buckner 31, Austin Croshere, 32 Kevin Willis 70, real young In the scientific community this is what is known as selective analysis. Just cherry pick stats to make your case and disregard the rest. None of those guys are the mavs future. I was referring to the Mavs nucleus of Dirk,Harris,Terry,Howard,Diop who are about the same age collectively as the Warriors.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 12:31:45 GMT -5
If you wanna split hairs, Dirk and Terry are older then Baron and SJax, and Ellis and and Biedrins are younger then Diop and Howard. But my point was never that the Warriors were younger then the Mavs, although they are, my point was the Warriors have a very young team. Not sure how that statement got into a discussion about how the Mavs are just as young.
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Post by duce on Apr 26, 2007 12:35:10 GMT -5
i think most people are responding to martinez's example... since he basically decided to dispute greg with a terrible example.
personally i think the warriors are young BUT they have injury problems from key players, and i think i'd rather be older than suffer injuries.
in theory the cubs could have won a couple of world series' by now... but...
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 12:36:55 GMT -5
Baron is injury prone.
JRich isnt, he got injured this year, hell be fine.
Um ya, thats the injury problems.
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Post by duce on Apr 26, 2007 12:43:23 GMT -5
Point was that the Warriors were drastically worse without Baron.. same way the Cubs are without Wood/Prior healthy.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 26, 2007 12:44:22 GMT -5
Then you probably shoulda said that the Warriors have no legitimate shot at doing anything if Baron continues to be prone to injury.
Then I woulda said, true.
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Post by The X-Factor on Apr 26, 2007 14:49:40 GMT -5
i think most people are responding to martinez's example... since he basically decided to dispute greg with a terrible example. personally i think the warriors are young BUT they have injury problems from key players, and i think i'd rather be older than suffer injuries. in theory the cubs could have won a couple of world series' by now... but... holy fucking christ were you neglected as a fucking child or something? You are a complete and utter moron. I suggest you go see a shrink you need it.
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Post by The X-Factor on Apr 26, 2007 14:50:44 GMT -5
Erick Dampier 32, Stackhouse 33, Greg Buckner 31, Austin Croshere, 32 Kevin Willis 70, real young In the scientific community this is what is known as selective analysis. Just cherry pick stats to make your case and disregard the rest. None of those guys are the mavs future. I was referring to the Mavs nucleus of Dirk,Harris,Terry,Howard,Diop who are about the same age collectively as the Warriors. You mean in the who gives a fuck community? Spence summed it up. The Warriors are a much younger team than Dallas, point and period. Of course none of those guys are the Mavs "future" they're fricking over 30 years old.
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Post by The X-Factor on Apr 26, 2007 14:53:22 GMT -5
They had a good shot with Baron, and a slim shot without. Regardless, the game friday will pretty much tell how tough the Warriors are. Either they win friday and they push it to 7, or they lose friday and it may just go 5. They cut it the closest they did without Baron. I don't get how they had this incredible chance with him. He was 5-12 with 5 PFs and 6 TOs. Duce again... go kill yourself you sorry excuse for existence.
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Post by duce on Apr 26, 2007 14:56:17 GMT -5
lol interesting
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Post by bossplaya on Apr 26, 2007 15:06:20 GMT -5
lol
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