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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 14:32:10 GMT -5
Grizz trade: Thabo Terry Brackins '12 1st '14 1st '17 1st
Mavs trade: Josh Howard
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 12, 2007 14:40:16 GMT -5
Sure,Mavs agree
Just gonna try and shake things up a bit here.
Thx and GL to the Grizz
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 12, 2007 14:41:48 GMT -5
Cut the 3 name dude,
Chris Douglas Roberts, dont need no three name elites on my team. His atitude is dragging the team down.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 14:49:32 GMT -5
Get my legit starting SF.. who can both score and defend. Allows me to move white back to his natural position at SG and try Wade again at PG having Diener back him up.
Gave up three 1sts, one is this year’s which SHOULD NOT be lotto, or I deserve to get fired. A ’14 and a ’17.
I avoided giving up my ’13 1st because I take a risk with Chandler and Howard both being expiring this year, but that is also a positive because I move both Thabo and Terry’s 2 year deals.
IDK I needed to make a move… and I didn’t want to trade any of my starters.. I don’t think I could have gotten anything better than this, really.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 15:36:05 GMT -5
good luck greg
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 12, 2007 15:51:50 GMT -5
Don't like this for Greg.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Dec 12, 2007 15:53:24 GMT -5
getting some picks is nice for greg but he doesnt have any cap space now... sometimes you have to count your losses and rebuild even without your pick for a season or two and i think that was best for the mavs to do at this time
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 15:54:50 GMT -5
but is this a good deal for me? what do you guys think?
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 12, 2007 15:57:44 GMT -5
but is this a good deal for me? what do you guys think? I am on the fence because I don't like dealing 3 picks for an expiring, especially one I know I am not going to offer max money. However I am a strong believer in either going all vets or all rookies, basically pick your path and stick to as much as you can so I like the deal a lot in the sense that you have a nice foundation and your willing to deal your future in order to help you out now.
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 12, 2007 16:11:34 GMT -5
Yea, I hated to take on Terry and Thabo's deals but I really need to get a few picks and I kinda like Brackens.
I have too many SF/SG types so I felt one was expendable. Yuyang plays PF and SF rather well, and Belinelli can step in and start for me with Terry off the bench. Howard's a nice player but I'm dealinhg basically from a position of strength if thats possible and getting a few picks and a young guy hopefully with upside. Just felt it was right move at his time.
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Post by nova on Dec 12, 2007 16:13:32 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is, Thabo & Terry are only 2 year deals.
I love it for Dallas, those picks could be pretty nice, and that's tremendous value for Howard.
Howard's nice, but I think Memphis overpaid.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 16:13:58 GMT -5
i knew i was going to get shit for trading 1sts, and I'm an agreence it's a huge risk for an expiring but I strategized.
I give him this year's 1st which should not be lotto.
I refused to give him next season's pick because of Chandler and Howard being expirings, but who's to say the '14 won't be good though.
The '17 is a crapshoot really, but still, I do agree 3 1sts is alot but that's essentially what it is, 3 1sts for a great expiring. IDK hopefully it works out
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 12, 2007 16:16:27 GMT -5
i knew i was going to get shit for trading 1sts, and I'm an agreence it's a huge risk for an expiring but I strategized. I give him this year's 1st which should not be lotto. I refused to give him next season's pick because of Chandler and Howard being expirings, but who's to say the '14 won't be good though. The '17 is a crapshoot really, but still, I do agree 3 1sts is alot but that's essentially what it is, 3 1sts for a great expiring. IDK hopefully it works out And in order to win in this league your gonna have to take risk's like this. Not a bad trade at all considering the position your in.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 16:17:04 GMT -5
Don't like giving up 3 future 1sts for a 30+ year old solid expiring, so I like this much more for Greg. Howard is more than just solid. He’d be the starting SF on your team too.
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 12, 2007 16:17:15 GMT -5
Nova ever heard the expression "Measure twice, Cut Once"?
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 16:18:15 GMT -5
i knew i was going to get shit for trading 1sts, and I'm an agreence it's a huge risk for an expiring but I strategized. I give him this year's 1st which should not be lotto. I refused to give him next season's pick because of Chandler and Howard being expirings, but who's to say the '14 won't be good though. The '17 is a crapshoot really, but still, I do agree 3 1sts is alot but that's essentially what it is, 3 1sts for a great expiring. IDK hopefully it works out And in order to win in this league your gonna have to take risk's like this. Not a bad trade at all considering the position your in. Agreed, I'm going to be in my contract year if I don't win, I'm not going to pull a rommie and sit on my team and not deal away my future to protect the next possible GM that may take over my spot. If i'm going down, I'm going down trying
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 16:18:41 GMT -5
wow nova edit's his posts fast, lol
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 12, 2007 16:19:47 GMT -5
Wow, great deal for Greg. Assuming the rest of the conference is on the way up--it is; Utah, Denver, LAL, Houston, Minnesota, Golden State, San Antonio all look to have good futures--the picks will all definitely have a shot at being lotto. All of Memphis' talent is aging, other than Love, and he's nothing special. I think Greg gets a steal in potential value for Howard.
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Post by nova on Dec 12, 2007 16:20:37 GMT -5
Don't like giving up 3 future 1sts for a 30+ year old solid expiring, so I like this much more for Greg. Howard is more than just solid. He’d be the starting SF on your team too. No doubt, but he's been 1st option all year and is only scoring 21.3ppg on a bad team. He's a quality player, but he's 31 & expiring, and it's pretty risky to give up two future picks for him. It's not a bad deal for you, I just think you could have improved your team at a much cheaper cost.
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Post by aaronjh on Dec 12, 2007 16:21:49 GMT -5
And in order to win in this league your gonna have to take risk's like this. Not a bad trade at all considering the position your in. Agreed, I'm going to be in my contract year if I don't win, I'm not going to pull a rommie and sit on my team and not deal away my future to protect the next possible GM that may take over my spot. If i'm going down, I'm going down trying Definitely understand and am in favor of this. What Rommie did sucked. Each GM should worry about improving their own team when they need to so that if there is a mess, at least they're the one cleaning it up.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 16:23:22 GMT -5
Howard is more than just solid. He’d be the starting SF on your team too. No doubt, but he's been 1st option all year and is only scoring 21.3ppg on a bad team. He's a quality player, but he's 31 & expiring, and it's pretty risky to give up two future picks for him. It's not a bad deal for you, I just think you could have improved your team at a much cheaper cost. I've searched and searched. Reilly wanted Wade + for Melo/Maxiell. jordan wanted love/terry/thabo + for Bosh and that's pretty much it. Not knocking their offers, but I don't think any of these would dramatically improve my team. This is the best offer, and I ran with it. It's essentially two 1sts for Howard. I don't mind, I need to win that's all.
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Post by Adelaide on Dec 12, 2007 16:25:39 GMT -5
I don't like this for Greg because I feel like he is circling. He dosen't have any of his own picks, he takes on Livingston's contract in order to win and now he deals his best player for picks. I am pretty confused in the direction he is trying to go in.
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Post by nova on Dec 12, 2007 16:28:23 GMT -5
I'm sure you could have gotten some other very nice offers for Wade...
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2007 16:32:36 GMT -5
I'm sure you could have gotten some other very nice offers for Wade... then it would completely defeat the purpose of me trading away livingston, stephenson, mullens, and shved for him. I may make bad deals but that's one thing I won't do, trade in circles.
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 12, 2007 16:34:05 GMT -5
I don't like this for Greg because I feel like he is circling. He dosen't have any of his own picks, he takes on Livingston's contract in order to win and now he deals his best player for picks. I am pretty confused in the direction he is trying to go in. I still havent won like I was hoping after Livingston deal. Howard is nice but as I said I have decent depth at the 2,3. I planned to go into rebuild mode in 14,15 when I have my picks but I'm borderline bottom seed as is so may as well get a few picks to have when I start the rebuild I figured. Hell who knows, that 12 may be good too, Grizz arent real deep so an injury here or there could seriously hurt them. Not sure this really hurts my playoff chances that much more than if I had kept him honestly.
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