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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 20:44:45 GMT -5
Nova, I don't think you should panic and make poor moves, but for me, when a player that fits in so perfectly like TC is available, it would seem logical that you'd put together an offer for him. I just think thats why you've had some negative comments recently. It is purely speculation, but its understandable. I did put together an offer for him, but I've said that I will not deal Arthur or Ibaka in a deal for him, and I'm sticking to that. I like TC a lot, but I'd rather have Arthur & Ibaka.
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 8, 2007 20:44:52 GMT -5
Thabeet > TC
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 8, 2007 20:45:53 GMT -5
Yeah but it's not rare to see a top 5-10 pick not live up to expectations... Rip Hamilton, Carlos Boozer, Gerald Wallace etc Wallace went like tenth. Though, you'd still expect something better. Brandon Roy and Deron Williams(for the moment anyways they're still young) haven't lived up to being drafted #1 and #2. and guys like Guillermo Diaz, Travis Outlaw etc have gone late 1st 2nd round and are really really great players. So it really is a crap-shoot I think. Sure it's almost impossible to land a complete bust with a top 3 pick, but it doesn't always mean he's going to be a franchise type player.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 20:46:15 GMT -5
There is a drop-off, but still, Tyson is not an elite big man.
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 20:46:23 GMT -5
Rip etc guys like that are my point.... proven commodity at the hardest position to fill that fits so well for 2 unknowns just makes sense to me. I'm not even trying to sell the deal I don't feel I have to nor do I feel the need to deal Chandler I can easily keep him. I am just puzzled at the huge reluctancy
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Post by aaronjh on Oct 8, 2007 20:48:23 GMT -5
Nova doesn't have reason to worry about Arthur being a bust. Here's the argument: he has enough young assets, and he's close enough to 40 wins, that he can afford to exchange some of those assets for a bona fide star. His refusal to could be his downfall.
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 8, 2007 20:50:00 GMT -5
but for him to gain a star he needs to deal someone like Arthur... he can't expect to get a legit star offering(at the time) players like David Lee or Trevor Ariza that sure are good, but not the type of players anyone would want in return for a stud.
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Post by Adelaide on Oct 8, 2007 20:50:03 GMT -5
Rip etc guys like that are my point.... proven commodity at the hardest position to fill that fits so well for 2 unknowns just makes sense to me. I'm not even trying to sell the deal I don't feel I have to nor do I feel the need to deal Chandler I can easily keep him. I am just puzzled at the huge reluctancy
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 8, 2007 20:51:38 GMT -5
nevermind lol
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 20:52:12 GMT -5
Fallacy.... Thabeet is a horrid rebounder and not nearly as good of a defender as TC and doesn't offer anything anywhere else that would be an upgrade over TC
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 20:52:33 GMT -5
Nova doesn't have reason to worry about Arthur being a bust. Here's the argument: he has enough young assets, and he's close enough to 40 wins, that he can afford to exchange some of those assets for a bona fide star. His refusal to could be his downfall. well said
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Post by Adelaide on Oct 8, 2007 20:53:04 GMT -5
When are we gonna stop talking about Nova on the hot seat and start talking about Rommie on the hot seat?
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 20:54:43 GMT -5
Nova doesn't have reason to worry about Arthur being a bust. Here's the argument: he has enough young assets, and he's close enough to 40 wins, that he can afford to exchange some of those assets for a bona fide star. His refusal to could be his downfall. Your right, it could be, but I'm taking that risk right now, and if it screw me over, it screws me over, so be it. I've spent 3 years rebuilding this team and adding nice young pieces, and I'd prefer not to deal them off just to ensure that I win 40 games and then have to rebuild in 4-5 more years like I'd have to do. I'd rather hang onto my young guns, let them develop, and be a legit threat for several more years.
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Post by aaronjh on Oct 8, 2007 20:55:07 GMT -5
Let's play a new game. Rank your top five centers in BBS.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 20:55:42 GMT -5
When are we gonna stop talking about Nova on the hot seat and start talking about Rommie on the hot seat? Seriously, why am I the only one being talked about? No offense, but teams like NJ and Houston should be teams who get looked at for being fired before me.
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Post by aaronjh on Oct 8, 2007 20:56:48 GMT -5
Nova doesn't have reason to worry about Arthur being a bust. Here's the argument: he has enough young assets, and he's close enough to 40 wins, that he can afford to exchange some of those assets for a bona fide star. His refusal to could be his downfall. Your right, it could be, but I'm taking that risk right now, and if it screw me over, it screws me over, so be it. I've spent 3 years rebuilding this team and adding nice young pieces, and I'd prefer not to deal them off just to ensure that I win 40 games and then have to rebuild in 4-5 more years like I'd have to do. I'd rather hang onto my young guns, let them develop, and be a legit threat for several more years. Very well. I think Ibaka will emerge as one of those real nice shotblocking bigs, and Arthur looks great. Brewer's iffy, but you can have a chance at 40 with that starting five if TC works out. I also don't think you'd be hurting your future chances if you DID deal for Curry or Chandler after TC...just because I feel these kinda guys will help you win for a long time.
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 20:56:51 GMT -5
Nova doesn't have reason to worry about Arthur being a bust. Here's the argument: he has enough young assets, and he's close enough to 40 wins, that he can afford to exchange some of those assets for a bona fide star. His refusal to could be his downfall. Your right, it could be, but I'm taking that risk right now, and if it screw me over, it screws me over, so be it. I've spent 3 years rebuilding this team and adding nice young pieces, and I'd prefer not to deal them off just to ensure that I win 40 games and then have to rebuild in 4-5 more years like I'd have to do. I'd rather hang onto my young guns, let them develop, and be a legit threat for several more years. but it wouldn't be just to win 40 games.....you would be a legit threat right now....thats what i don't get
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 20:57:56 GMT -5
You really think getting TC would put me up there with the likes of New York, Detroit, LA, & Minnesota? Come on now, that's just flat-out ridiculous right there. I'm not anywhere near those team's levels just yet, and adding TC or even Brand wouldn't put me there either.
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Post by Adelaide on Oct 8, 2007 20:58:28 GMT -5
When are we gonna stop talking about Nova on the hot seat and start talking about Rommie on the hot seat? I thought Rommie was on his contract year, but he hasnt been around as long as I thought.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 20:58:50 GMT -5
Your right, it could be, but I'm taking that risk right now, and if it screw me over, it screws me over, so be it. I've spent 3 years rebuilding this team and adding nice young pieces, and I'd prefer not to deal them off just to ensure that I win 40 games and then have to rebuild in 4-5 more years like I'd have to do. I'd rather hang onto my young guns, let them develop, and be a legit threat for several more years. Very well. I think Ibaka will emerge as one of those real nice shotblocking bigs, and Arthur looks great. Brewer's iffy, but you can have a chance at 40 with that starting five if TC works out. I also don't think you'd be hurting your future chances if you DID deal for Curry or Chandler after TC...just because I feel these kinda guys will help you win for a long time. Oh, I know, but I feel as if giving up Arthur or Ibaka + Daye for one of them would be too much realistically, and I prefer Arthur & Ibaka to TC anyways for the future.
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Post by aaronjh on Oct 8, 2007 20:59:21 GMT -5
East is wide open, seriously. The playing field eased a bit, which helps a team like New Orleans. But yeah, at the same time, it means Nova could be a bit of an opportunist and go for a 50+ win season.
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 20:59:43 GMT -5
You really think getting TC would put me up there with the likes of New York, Detroit, LA, & Minnesota? Come on now, that's just flat-out ridiculous right there. I'm not anywhere near those team's levels just yet, and adding TC or even Brand wouldn't put me there either. I never said that I've maintained the SL of Barbosa, Brewer, Williams, Arthur, TC could take you deep into the playoffs. Orlando won with less talent.
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Post by Adelaide on Oct 8, 2007 21:01:33 GMT -5
Very well. I think Ibaka will emerge as one of those real nice shotblocking bigs, and Arthur looks great. Brewer's iffy, but you can have a chance at 40 with that starting five if TC works out. I also don't think you'd be hurting your future chances if you DID deal for Curry or Chandler after TC...just because I feel these kinda guys will help you win for a long time. Oh, I know, but I feel as if giving up Arthur or Ibaka + Daye for one of them would be too much realistically, and I prefer Arthur & Ibaka to TC anyways for the future. But will there be a future though. You keep speaking of the future but your not doing anything to maintain your place so there is a future, I don't understand it.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 21:02:23 GMT -5
I highly doubt I'd make it past the 2nd round with that line-up to be 100% honest.
Plus, with starter's minutes, Ibaka will put up pretty nice #'s himself, so it's not as if him to Tyson is a gigantic upgrade.
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Post by Dan on Oct 8, 2007 21:02:36 GMT -5
diop is better than all.
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