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Post by Bender on Feb 15, 2007 16:14:32 GMT -5
well i think is shall play devils advocate here. if i'm not wrong the banner on bbs says fuck the league think about yourself
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Post by aaron2344 on Feb 15, 2007 16:33:27 GMT -5
finally the voice of reason emerges. This is bullshit that every trade I make is scrutinized because you're making the strong team even stronger. Am I missing something with Joe Johnson? I thought he was a franchise type talent. Why am I even in the league if any trade I make is ripped apart, does everyone want me to give Shaq away for 2nd round picks? People like Galo need to stop bitching so much and get off my dick about trades, and to say he got screwed in his trade is ridiculous. Joe Johnson is going to be a franchise player, and CC is guaranteed this with the trade. If the pick is 1/2, he loses, but does he get killed? No, absolutely not, Johnson is going to be a terrific all around player and better than pretty much every player in the league. CC took the safe route, and, instead of taking a chance, he has a proven player on his team. And the stipulation, take it off for all I care. But I will not make a trade with him if his pick looks like shit. He understood this and wanted to get a deal done, so he said he wouldn't change his team so he's able to get JJ, instead of me shopping him around some more. All this ganging up on every trade I make is getting out of hand, and if it's going to continue, I'm done with the league. Why not rip on other trades as much as these? Again, Martinez was completely ripped off in that Marion deal. Sure, he got his pick for Marion, but the other picks he gets are shit. Now, I trade for AI, and give up a ton. He gets his own pick back, which is equivalent to Martinez's pick, AND JRich and Dalembert. AI is nice, and probably better than Marion, but include age/contract, they are very similar. Yet I am ripped apart for making this trade, as is Haberman, while Spence/Martinez barely get anything said, except Martinez agreeing to multiple deals. It's getting stupid and people need to think of the trade itself, instead of who is involved.
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Post by GP on Feb 15, 2007 16:52:06 GMT -5
Look man this is nothing personal. I respect you as a good guy and a great GM. But this is about CC not about you. Hes made 2-3 very bad deals, and two of them have been with you. I don't think I'm scrunitizing you but making it aware that that this trade can be terrible for the suns if and it is very possible it lands #1 or 2 now. Granted Joe Johnson is a great player, but hes no Yao or Amare like I said before. I think it is unfair that you are blamed in this deal for so many other bad deals like you said. But it is because you have such a great team. It should not be that easy to make your team this good, espicially if your a top team the last couple years. It happens all the time in pro sports, you overpay to get what you want. You say you gave up a ton for AI which I beg to differ but thats my opinion. But it is already controversially charged to see that you didn't give up a ton in this deal for a potential top pick in the draft.
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 15, 2007 16:55:17 GMT -5
finally the voice of reason emerges. This is bullshit that every trade I make is scrutinized because you're making the strong team even stronger. Am I missing something with Joe Johnson? I thought he was a franchise type talent. Why am I even in the league if any trade I make is ripped apart, does everyone want me to give Shaq away for 2nd round picks? People like Galo need to stop bitching so much and get off my dick about trades, and to say he got screwed in his trade is ridiculous. Joe Johnson is going to be a franchise player, and CC is guaranteed this with the trade. If the pick is 1/2, he loses, but does he get killed? No, absolutely not, Johnson is going to be a terrific all around player and better than pretty much every player in the league. CC took the safe route, and, instead of taking a chance, he has a proven player on his team. And the stipulation, take it off for all I care. But I will not make a trade with him if his pick looks like shit. He understood this and wanted to get a deal done, so he said he wouldn't change his team so he's able to get JJ, instead of me shopping him around some more. All this ganging up on every trade I make is getting out of hand, and if it's going to continue, I'm done with the league. Why not rip on other trades as much as these? Again, Martinez was completely ripped off in that Marion deal. Sure, he got his pick for Marion, but the other picks he gets are shit. Now, I trade for AI, and give up a ton. He gets his own pick back, which is equivalent to Martinez's pick, AND JRich and Dalembert. AI is nice, and probably better than Marion, but include age/contract, they are very similar. Yet I am ripped apart for making this trade, as is Haberman, while Spence/Martinez barely get anything said, except Martinez agreeing to multiple deals. It's getting stupid and people need to think of the trade itself, instead of who is involved. Here's my two cents here.... Actually I gave my only two cents to that homless guy on new years so i have nothing
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Post by Bender on Feb 15, 2007 17:02:00 GMT -5
god i hate you aaron . if u get yao and amare over me by god help me we r throwing down. it will be a classic like hogan/warrior bret/shawn rock austin but we will throw down.
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 15, 2007 17:04:09 GMT -5
god i hate you aaron . if u get yao and amare over me by god help me we r throwing down. it will be a classic like hogan/warrior bret/shawn rock austin but we will throw down. Fit Finlay/Michael Finley/Chuck Finley/Steve Finley will kick the shit out of those punks
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Post by Bender on Feb 15, 2007 17:06:01 GMT -5
chuck finley was a biitch anyone dawning the angel uniform is a bitch except for christopher lloyd of coourse god i love that movie
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 15, 2007 17:07:59 GMT -5
chuck finley was a biitch anyone dawning the angel uniform is a bitch except for christopher lloyd of coourse god i love that movie Christopher Lloyd never wore an angel uniform in Angels in the Outfield
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Post by duce on Feb 15, 2007 17:16:14 GMT -5
lol honestly i know this is about to become even more serious but this is so bad it's funny. perhaps capital letters make it more clear...
REILLY IS TAKING AN UNCONTROLLED RISK AND THIS IS A BAD TRADE FOR HIM. YET SOMEHOW THIS IS PERCEIVED AS ANOTHER RIPOFF. DETROIT IS GUANTEED NOTHING HERE. THESE PLAYERS HAVE NOT EVEN DECLARED AND EVEN IF THEY DO THEY ARE COMPARABLE TO JOHNSON. JOE JOHNSON IS GOING TO BE A 25-5-5 VERSITILE PLAYER AND GUARANTEED TO BE IN PHEONIX.
i'm sorry man, whatever is done will be done and people are going to bitch no matter what but this is "just another trade" as far as i'm concerned. it's one thing to rip the webber deal and such but this is out of whack now.
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Post by Bender on Feb 15, 2007 18:04:33 GMT -5
he wore that hat . dont correct me im an american hero biatch
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 15, 2007 18:26:07 GMT -5
I think we are making this out to be a bigger deal then it really is...yes initially the first reaction of this trade is C.C why? but he does retain a great all around player that he believes he can build around. He also gets 2 upgrades which last time I checked the market value of an upgrade is a first round pick. I remember back in the old BBS I was slotted for #1 pick but landed the #4 and instead of Karl Malone I got Joe Dumars instead yea big let down. So what if Reilly ends up with a Caron Butler type player maybe CC wins out. I think if 20 other GM's made this deal it wouldn't be a problem but since a good team made the deal it is a bad deal? Why should Aaron constantly be punished or scrutinized for making trades for his benefit(which has yet to be determined in this deal). Like I said in previous posts if anyone many gm's don't even put in half the time Aaron does into this league. So everyone should get their weight up and start trying to beat him...I know I have and look I would consider myself to be a top 5 team. We all know CC is a big vagina and has no balls and this is a low risk nice reward deal for him. Personally I would run the risk of the lotto but that is just me and I'm not CC nor is anyone else in the league CC so therefore it was his call to make. If JJ does avg 25,5,5 he is a top 10 player in the league. So I think everyone should quit their bitching and just try harder. Nice trade hopefully it works out for both teams.
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Post by aaronjh on Feb 15, 2007 18:27:41 GMT -5
This criticism of Reilly/the trade is pathetically misguided. You resent that he makes good deals? Oh well. Quit.
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Post by The X-Factor on Feb 15, 2007 19:56:07 GMT -5
Why do people think that it's an all-out attack on Reilly? Jesus Christ get off his dick. We're bashing C.C. and his atrocious deals, and the fact that NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WINNING.
Reilly, I wasn't "raped" with the Marion deal, before I made that deal only the Raptors had a decent team. Garf made some substantially good trades and therefore yeah, that pick blows, and Manas was able to retain Al Harrington. So don't give me that bullshit. That's one deal compared to many.
The fact of the matter is, Joe Johnson is nowhere near the level of a Yao Ming or an Amare Stoudemire, I don't care what you say. Joe Johnson is NOT a franchise player not even in real life, and the only way he SHOULD become one in BBS is via RCs, not POT.
It's about destroying a franchise and the league as a whole. That Phoenix Suns team is atrocious and will not be going anywhere any time soon.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 15, 2007 20:09:22 GMT -5
This really has nothing to do with Reilly. Aaron, obviously you are sensitive about being singled out, but this is all about whether or not CC should be in the league or not, not about you. If you want to take this as a shot at you then I think youre being extremely sensitive and are not understanding the angle Im coming at.
If CC wants to rebuild, trade away all his players so that he can suck, and then deal the pick for JJ I question whether or not he has the ability to be here. Its not only this trade, or what hes giving in this trade, but the fact that every other trade was about getting worse so his pick could land Amare or Yao, and now hes dealing it for JJ? It just doesnt make any sense at all.
JJ is a nice player, but he isnt a stud franchise guy. hes a legit #1 scorer, but he isnt a KG, or TD or Shaq. He isnt a Yao or Amare or Melo? CC picked a direction, and was hell bent on it, and now after a week he switches up and changes his mind? Its extremely questionable and has nothing to do with Reilly or anyone else in the league.
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Post by aaron2344 on Feb 15, 2007 20:10:29 GMT -5
Why do people think that it's an all-out attack on Reilly? Jesus Christ get off his dick. We're bashing C.C. and his atrocious deals, and the fact that NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT WINNING. Reilly, I wasn't "raped" with the Marion deal, before I made that deal only the Raptors had a decent team. Garf made some substantially good trades and therefore yeah, that pick blows, and Manas was able to retain Al Harrington. So don't give me that bullshit. That's one deal compared to many. The fact of the matter is, Joe Johnson is nowhere near the level of a Yao Ming or an Amare Stoudemire, I don't care what you say. Joe Johnson is NOT a franchise player not even in real life, and the only way he SHOULD become one in BBS is via RCs, not POT. It's about destroying a franchise and the league as a whole. That Phoenix Suns team is atrocious and will not be going anywhere any time soon. Your deal was more of a point I was making. You're right, you weren't raped, but compared to Aaron's deal, you were, and that's what I was bringing up when people go at me, but not other deals. And the fact that Joe Johnson is not a franchise talent is a joke. He's putting up 25/4/4 on 48% shooting. Once the teenagers on his team mature, he'll lead that team into the playoffs, and beyond. Joe Johnson is going to be a great player in this league. Scouting reports, conversations with Spencer, and his early rookie ratings all indicate this. Others, including you, may have differing opinions on him, but CC doesn't, and he feels that he's going to be a cornerstone to the development of his team. Since it's his decision, that's the only thing that matters.
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Post by The X-Factor on Feb 15, 2007 20:10:30 GMT -5
This really has nothing to do with Reilly. Aaron, obviously you are sensitive about being singled out, but this is all about whether or not CC should be in the league or not, not about you. If you want to take this as a shot at you then I think youre being extremely sensitive and are not understanding the angle Im coming at. If CC wants to rebuild, trade away all his players so that he can suck, and then deal the pick for JJ I question whether or not he has the ability to be here. Its not only this trade, or what hes giving in this trade, but the fact that every other trade was about getting worse so his pick could land Amare or Yao, and now hes dealing it for JJ? It just doesnt make any sense at all. JJ is a nice player, but he isnt a stud franchise guy. hes a legit #1 scorer, but he isnt a KG, or TD or Shaq. He isnt a Yao or Amare or Melo? CC picked a direction, and was hell bent on it, and now after a week he switches up and changes his mind? Its extremely questionable and has nothing to do with Reilly or anyone else in the league. x 2
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Post by duce on Feb 15, 2007 20:15:26 GMT -5
well, at any rate, it's not so much that i think jj is on the kg/td level(i don't), as much as it is that i don't think yao or amare are either. those guys are going to be great scorers and great players in their own way but i think they're on the same level as johnson in the sense that they're all just awsome offensive talents. that's my view and i know a lot of people disagree and that's fine.
as for carmelo, he's obviously better than all of em.
but i never really meant to say joe johnson was elite. i just think he can be the top player on a team... aka "franchise player", the same way the top players in the 02 draft can.
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Post by duce on Feb 15, 2007 20:19:44 GMT -5
and i realize the suns don't have the best gm in the league and their trades aren't popular and some are rapes etc. etc. but they do have hope. they have a solid shot at lebron if he declares in 03. if he gets unlucky in the lotto, there's dwight in 04. either paired with johnson is a pretty great foundation to build off of.
whether he should be a gm here, i don't know and i'm sure whatever decision is made will be for the best. but mistakes will be made and there's almost always going to be 1 or 2 gm's that stick out as "poor" in the league's perception. i hope we don't always resort to firing that guy, but it's not really my call.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 15, 2007 20:25:56 GMT -5
Void and fire. New PHX Gm is Bizzle if he wants them.
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Post by ducky on Feb 15, 2007 20:29:04 GMT -5
Nice, bizzle!
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Post by nybombers3 on Feb 15, 2007 20:30:11 GMT -5
Void and fire. New PHX Gm is Bizzle if he wants them. o rly?
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Post by ducky on Feb 15, 2007 20:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by nybombers3 on Feb 15, 2007 20:36:59 GMT -5
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Post by duce on Feb 15, 2007 20:39:47 GMT -5
lol wtf
anyway i feel bad for CC.
i PMd bizzle.
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Post by ducky on Feb 15, 2007 20:41:22 GMT -5
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