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Post by aaronjh on Oct 17, 2007 13:05:46 GMT -5
1-2. The Pistons torched us and we also lost to Miami, but pulled out a win over the Sixers. I still liked what I saw moreso then previous sims, so I'll make a minor adjustment or two and go from there. Very good plan at 12-20 in the contract year.
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 13:13:55 GMT -5
1-2. The Pistons torched us and we also lost to Miami, but pulled out a win over the Sixers. I still liked what I saw moreso then previous sims, so I'll make a minor adjustment or two and go from there. Very good plan at 12-20 in the contract year. How about you read the thread over?
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 17, 2007 13:20:10 GMT -5
nova solid team.
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 13:26:18 GMT -5
Keep em coming guys, keep em coming.
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Post by aaronjh on Oct 17, 2007 13:39:29 GMT -5
OK Nova. Keep defending the job you're doing. Nobody else will.
I just hate that you join BBS and haven't felt an ounce of inspiration to prove yourself or to compete with the league. It's been pathetic.
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Post by Adelaide on Oct 17, 2007 13:41:18 GMT -5
3-0
I'm the best(Luigi voice)
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 13:59:33 GMT -5
OK Nova. Keep defending the job you're doing. Nobody else will. I just hate that you join BBS and haven't felt an ounce of inspiration to prove yourself or to compete with the league. It's been pathetic. Excuse me? I took over a fucking disaster of a franchise, that was most definitely the worst team in the league at the time. I spent the first week dealing off the overpaid pieces of crap that I had on my team, and in some cases I had to pay people to take them they were on such awful deals(Hamilton, Parker). I don't feel an ounce of inspiration to prove myself? Fuck you. Just because I don't want to deal off my young guys for older players just for the sole purpose of winning 40 games, I don't want to prove myself or compete? Seriously, get off your high horse, you won one fucking title and you now think your the king of the league. Christ, thank god every past champ isn't as condescending as you are. I haven't been able to compete because I was motherfucking rebuilding. Rebuilding generally takes a couple years, and with the mess I took over, I knew it would take longer, and I wasn't going to rush it to the point where I would just have to rebuild again a few years down the line. That's the same thing now, if I deal off my young guys for better, older players, I'll just have to rebuild again in like 3 seasons, and that's pointless, because it just means the same teams will continue to be on top as they have been for the last 5 seasons, it's always the same teams on top, do you wonder why? The rebuilding teams get too anxious, deal off some of their young guys to the top teams for their aging stars, and it rarely ever pays off. Just because I'm being patient with my youth, it doesn't mean I don't care. So seriously, fuck off Aaron, stop acting like your suddenly so much better then me.
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 17, 2007 14:10:29 GMT -5
Rebuilding doesn't take 4 years. See the change in my team from 04-06... see the Sonics last year. Instead of signing good FAs you sent money out to shit ones, and then traded them away, essentially wasting a year or two of rebuilding. You have no desire to win, you just want to see your players develop, which is fair but it's been 3 years!
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Post by Mark on Oct 17, 2007 14:17:36 GMT -5
Nova, it's pretty impossible to win with youth (not while they're young, but just going strictly with youth for a long time) unless you have superstar youth. You do not. It's much better to deal off one or more for 27+ year old guys who will be extremely productive, than put together a 6th seed in their primes.
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Post by aaronjh on Oct 17, 2007 14:17:50 GMT -5
OK Nova. Keep defending the job you're doing. Nobody else will. I just hate that you join BBS and haven't felt an ounce of inspiration to prove yourself or to compete with the league. It's been pathetic. Excuse me? I took over a fucking disaster of a franchise, that was most definitely the worst team in the league at the time. I spent the first week dealing off the overpaid pieces of crap that I had on my team, and in some cases I had to pay people to take them they were on such awful deals(Hamilton, Parker). I don't feel an ounce of inspiration to prove myself? Fuck you. Just because I don't want to deal off my young guys for older players just for the sole purpose of winning 40 games, I don't want to prove myself or compete? Seriously, get off your high horse, you won one fucking title and you now think your the king of the league. Christ, thank god every past champ isn't as condescending as you are. I haven't been able to compete because I was motherfucking rebuilding. Rebuilding generally takes a couple years, and with the mess I took over, I knew it would take longer, and I wasn't going to rush it to the point where I would just have to rebuild again a few years down the line. That's the same thing now, if I deal off my young guys for better, older players, I'll just have to rebuild again in like 3 seasons, and that's pointless, because it just means the same teams will continue to be on top as they have been for the last 5 seasons, it's always the same teams on top, do you wonder why? The rebuilding teams get too anxious, deal off some of their young guys to the top teams for their aging stars, and it rarely ever pays off. Just because I'm being patient with my youth, it doesn't mean I don't care. So seriously, fuck off Aaron, stop acting like your suddenly so much better then me. You're full of shit, Nova. Guys like Chandler and Curry would you make you better now and long-term. You're content so sit on a roster that's never going to be great, because you have it somewhere in your mind that it'll be a contender for ten years. It's nonsense. You build a team to win and win long-term by adding guys who are good, not potentially good, and by making deals to improve when they're there. You've been far too stubborn and delusional about what you have built. Cute tirade. If you think I have any form of self-satisfaction from lucking into a BBS title, grow up. Sorry if that's too condescending, but don't throw that accusation at me over an obvious joke for people who have any form of a clue. From my first month in BBS, I pushed for ScubaSteve to get fired because I thought he didn't care and did nothing to improve. I'll never pretend to understand what you think you're doing with your team, and I'm not alone. You go off on rants defending yourself and NOTHING changes. That's the fact of the matter, regardless of whatever personal issues you want to turn this into.
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 14:33:44 GMT -5
Rebuilding doesn't take 4 years. See the change in my team from 04-06... see the Sonics last year. Instead of signing good FAs you sent money out to shit ones, and then traded them away, essentially wasting a year or two of rebuilding. You have no desire to win, you just want to see your players develop, which is fair but it's been 3 years! Dealing off Smush & BG helped me get some of the young guys I have today, if you remember, I only had my 07 1st when I took over, not 08 or 09, and those two went in deals that got me those picks back & more. I'm sick and tired of people questioning my desire to win. I'm actively talking trade, I've sent out tons of PM's recently, so don't say I'm not trying to win, I just don't want to make the same mistake countless other teams have made, dealing off their young guys before they develop, and getting aging players, competing, but never really being a legit. contender.
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Post by Mark on Oct 17, 2007 14:36:30 GMT -5
I think everyone's main problem with your team is that they don't think you'll ever be a legit contender, even if you let these guys pay together in their primes. You need superstars, and these guys aren't it.
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 17, 2007 14:37:35 GMT -5
Hornets trade the #22 pick in the 2006 draft for nothing. You could have gotten Jordan Farmar, Guillermo Diaz, or James White.
Hornets trade Travis Outlaw, Sebastian Telfair, and the 2010 Bulls Pick for the 2007 Hornets Pick. Ends up getting Marco Belinelli.
Hornets trade Smush Parker for Francis and David Lee... the beginning of the Smush Cycle in New Orleans.
Hornets trade for Smush Parker.
Hornets trade Smush Parker.
Hornets trade for Joe Johnson... Great trade, but if you're going to try to win you can't go half way.
These are your historical trades to date (Not counting 2nd rounders you deal for RCs, or vet FA for shit player).
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 17, 2007 14:39:44 GMT -5
Rebuilding doesn't take 4 years. See the change in my team from 04-06... see the Sonics last year. Instead of signing good FAs you sent money out to shit ones, and then traded them away, essentially wasting a year or two of rebuilding. You have no desire to win, you just want to see your players develop, which is fair but it's been 3 years! Dealing off Smush & BG helped me get some of the young guys I have today, if you remember, I only had my 07 1st when I took over, not 08 or 09, and those two went in deals that got me those picks back & more. Austin Daye, congratulations.
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Post by ducky on Oct 17, 2007 14:43:14 GMT -5
2-2
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 14:45:23 GMT -5
Excuse me? I took over a fucking disaster of a franchise, that was most definitely the worst team in the league at the time. I spent the first week dealing off the overpaid pieces of crap that I had on my team, and in some cases I had to pay people to take them they were on such awful deals(Hamilton, Parker). I don't feel an ounce of inspiration to prove myself? Fuck you. Just because I don't want to deal off my young guys for older players just for the sole purpose of winning 40 games, I don't want to prove myself or compete? Seriously, get off your high horse, you won one fucking title and you now think your the king of the league. Christ, thank god every past champ isn't as condescending as you are. I haven't been able to compete because I was motherfucking rebuilding. Rebuilding generally takes a couple years, and with the mess I took over, I knew it would take longer, and I wasn't going to rush it to the point where I would just have to rebuild again a few years down the line. That's the same thing now, if I deal off my young guys for better, older players, I'll just have to rebuild again in like 3 seasons, and that's pointless, because it just means the same teams will continue to be on top as they have been for the last 5 seasons, it's always the same teams on top, do you wonder why? The rebuilding teams get too anxious, deal off some of their young guys to the top teams for their aging stars, and it rarely ever pays off. Just because I'm being patient with my youth, it doesn't mean I don't care. So seriously, fuck off Aaron, stop acting like your suddenly so much better then me. You're full of shit, Nova. Guys like Chandler and Curry would you make you better now and long-term. You're content so sit on a roster that's never going to be great, because you have it somewhere in your mind that it'll be a contender for ten years. It's nonsense. You build a team to win and win long-term by adding guys who are good, not potentially good, and by making deals to improve when they're there. You've been far too stubborn and delusional about what you have built. Cute tirade. If you think I have any form of self-satisfaction from lucking into a BBS title, grow up. Sorry if that's too condescending, but don't throw that accusation at me over an obvious joke for people who have any form of a clue. From my first month in BBS, I pushed for ScubaSteve to get fired because I thought he didn't care and did nothing to improve. I'll never pretend to understand what you think you're doing with your team, and I'm not alone. You go off on rants defending yourself and NOTHING changes. That's the fact of the matter, regardless of whatever personal issues you want to turn this into. I don't think I'll be a contender for 10 years, and it's not as if I have a bunch of 20 year olds, Barbosa is 26 & JJ is 29, Marvin is a very good player, and just because I'd rather not give up on my young bigs and rather let them develop into the studs they're gonna be, I don't want to win? Arthur & Ibaka are still raw, your right, but that doesn't mean they're not good. Ibaka is only 19 and is the best shot-blocker in the league as a sophomore. Arthur has shown progress, he's only a sophomore as well, and he's not far away from being an impact player. I never claimed I've built a great young team, or even a great team, all I've claimed is I took over a mess and I feel as if I've done a solid job. I'm being patient with my team, because I've seen it happen a lot, teams deal off their good young players for older ones, make one or two unsuccessful playoff trips, and are stuck rebuilding all over again. I'd rather not set my team behind another 4-5 years. Whatever though, you want to bash me, bash me, I'm not going to do deals out of pure frustration or to get shut you up.
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 17, 2007 14:48:33 GMT -5
You keep saying you took over a complete mess, but you haven't improved the team since then. Martinez is the guy that got Marvin Williams and had Travis Outlaw.
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 14:51:36 GMT -5
I think everyone's main problem with your team is that they don't think you'll ever be a legit contender, even if you let these guys pay together in their primes. You need superstars, and these guys aren't it. Fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, and your being more reasonable and less condescending then Aaron, so I'll give you that much. While I don't think Arthur will be a superstar persay, I think he'll end up being a 19/10 type player, who also averages over 2 blocks per game. Those aren't exactly a dime a dozen. As for Ibaka, not a superstar, but he's only a soph & he's already a terrific defender & shot-blocker, so at the very least, he'll be an excellent defensive starter at C. I've never said I'm going to sit on this team, I've been actively pursuing trades, and just because I haven't made a deal yet, doesn't mean I won't in the future. I'm not saying I will make any deals, but I'm certainly going to try.
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 14:56:14 GMT -5
You keep saying you took over a complete mess, but you haven't improved the team since then. Martinez is the guy that got Marvin Williams and had Travis Outlaw. He's also the guy who paid Hamilton & Parker near max contracts each, and the guy who traded his 08, 09, 10, 11, and 13 1sts when it was still 2005/2006. I've never stated I've done an amazing job, but I think I certainly turned them in the right direction, and have put them on the right track. Could it have been done sooner? Possibly, but I don't feel as if I've done a bad job by any means. Apparently, a lot of people do though, so, if that means I'm gonna get trashed at every turn, so be it.
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Post by bossplaya on Oct 17, 2007 14:56:59 GMT -5
3-1 yay
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Post by nova on Oct 17, 2007 15:04:16 GMT -5
And I'm done with this.
Everytime I post in a sim thread, post a trade, post in a trade thread, etc. I get these comments, and I'm fucking sick and tired of them. I'm done responding to them, because it's not worth my time to deal with this BS.
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 17, 2007 15:07:04 GMT -5
You keep saying you took over a complete mess, but you haven't improved the team since then. Martinez is the guy that got Marvin Williams and had Travis Outlaw. He's also the guy who paid Hamilton & Parker near max contracts each, and the guy who traded his 08, 09, 10, 11, and 13 1sts when it was still 2005/2006. I've never stated I've done an amazing job, but I think I certainly turned them in the right direction, and have put them on the right track. Could it have been done sooner? Possibly, but I don't feel as if I've done a bad job by any means. Apparently, a lot of people do though, so, if that means I'm gonna get trashed at every turn, so be it. You're the one that gave Smush the max, and Ben Gordon the max, and Trevor Ariza the max.
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Post by garf2000 on Oct 17, 2007 15:08:10 GMT -5
sorry, and Nene.
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 17, 2007 15:11:15 GMT -5
when i was on the phone with krupinski last night, this situation came up (we live exciting lives). i was under the impression nova is in a contract year. under those circumstances, i'd think he's crazy not making any moves at 12-20. now that i know he isn't in a contract situation, i believe he's doing the right thing by being patient. more gms can learn from his paitence. should he have pulled the trigger on some deals, i'd argue yes. but most gms in this league change their plans too quickly, and they're stuck as a low playoff seed every year. the top teams get a plan and stick with it.
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Post by ducky on Oct 17, 2007 15:12:45 GMT -5
Wow guys, get off Nova's dick. It's his team... Let him do what he wants, and than if he doesn't do what's needed to stay in the league, that's his problem, why the hell do you guys care?
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