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Post by James on Sept 2, 2007 18:37:58 GMT -5
Disagree with Carter. He was the second best SF in the league 2 years ago. Has been averaging 20-7-4 on a team with TD, KB8 and even Marcus Taylor now for 2 years. Helped us reach the finals 2 seasons in a row. Helped us to a league best 66-16 record 2 seasons ago, BBS finals last season (which is 1 step further than you). I'd say he is overpaid, but with only 3 years left on his contract, I'd say numbers 7, 8, 9 and 10 are far more overpaid than VC.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 20:57:53 GMT -5
Disagree with Carter. He was the second best SF in the league 2 years ago. Has been averaging 20-7-4 on a team with TD, KB8 and even Marcus Taylor now for 2 years. Helped us reach the finals 2 seasons in a row. Helped us to a league best 66-16 record 2 seasons ago, BBS finals last season (which is 1 step further than you). I'd say he is overpaid, but with only 3 years left on his contract, I'd say numbers 7, 8, 9 and 10 are far more overpaid than VC. Why the personal attack and say "I made it one step further than you" which is obviously me and is a silly statement considering I've won a championship before and you haven't and we all know the east is greater than the west. Get it through your head Marcus Taylor is not good! This article isn't taking place 2 yrs ago but rather now and your argument is solid and perhaps he isn't as overpaid as originally stated.
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Post by James on Sept 2, 2007 21:03:38 GMT -5
Because you attacked me in the article. You say something, and then attack somebody else for doing the exact same thing, which was quite clearly evident in the 'Tanking' thread.
And about Marcus Taylor...
...how is 18.4ppg, 8.5apg, 3.7rpg, 1.3spg and 1.7tpg "not good"? He is averaging 1.7 turnovers per game for christ sake. He is one of the most efficient point guard in the entire league and STILL manages to put up 18.4ppg (47% from the field, 41% from behind the arch) on the same team as Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and Vince Carter.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 21:41:32 GMT -5
Because you attacked me in the article. You say something, and then attack somebody else for doing the exact same thing, which was quite clearly evident in the 'Tanking' thread. And about Marcus Taylor... ...how is 18.4ppg, 8.5apg, 3.7rpg, 1.3spg and 1.7tpg "not good"? He is averaging 1.7 turnovers per game for christ sake. He is one of the most efficient point guard in the entire league and STILL manages to put up 18.4ppg (47% from the field, 41% from behind the arch) on the same team as Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan and Vince Carter. where did I personally attack you? If you want to argue his numbers, he does put up good numbers. Your starters have to avg the most MPG in the league and your bench has to avg the least PPG in the league. He is a C+ defender which is a huge hole to have as a starting player in BBS. Elite teams have any all 5 starters being at least A-/B+ defenders usually that being their worst defender.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 21:46:20 GMT -5
I just did a quick scan of when you play some better teams
Nash dropped 17 ast against you
Bibby averages 30ppg in 2 contests i looked at
Parker had over 30pts and in another game 15ast
There is more than just offensive numbers thats only 1/2 the game. So Taylor is 50% good.
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Post by James on Sept 2, 2007 22:28:22 GMT -5
Nothing big, however still an attack.
Nash dropped 17 assists against us, so? Bibby definetly destroyed us, however Parker putting up 30 against him is nothing to be dissappointed about.
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 2, 2007 22:34:30 GMT -5
Nothing big, however still an attack. Nash dropped 17 assists against us, so? Bibby definetly destroyed us, however Parker putting up 30 against him is nothing to be dissappointed about. It's hysterical. A good passing PG had a good passing game, Tony Parker played to his numbers, and Mike Bibby had two good games. Really drives the point home...ha.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 23:34:35 GMT -5
Nothing big, however still an attack. Nash dropped 17 assists against us, so? Bibby definetly destroyed us, however Parker putting up 30 against him is nothing to be dissappointed about. It's hysterical. A good passing PG had a good passing game, Tony Parker played to his numbers, and Mike Bibby had two good games. Really drives the point home...ha. wtf haberman go get laid and get off my back.... what's your vendetta against me?
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 2, 2007 23:36:53 GMT -5
Nothing big, however still an attack. Nash dropped 17 assists against us, so? Bibby definetly destroyed us, however Parker putting up 30 against him is nothing to be dissappointed about. how is that an attack? am I not aloud to write articles? You have no depth shit you don't even fill out a starting lineup that is fact that its hard to win a championship like that. If you dealt Carter for 2-3 pieces you might have a better shot. This is not an attack on "you" this is really ridiculous everyone is so damn critical and hang on every word I say.
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 2, 2007 23:40:13 GMT -5
It's hysterical. A good passing PG had a good passing game, Tony Parker played to his numbers, and Mike Bibby had two good games. Really drives the point home...ha. wtf haberman go get laid and get off my back.... what's your vendetta against me? worry about yourself. dave, i like you. you're funny, you're a nice guy, all that shit. but you have this attitude where everything you say is holy, almost a gift that you're imparting on everyone else, and when someone takes objection (which is often because your remarks are always so pointed), you make it a bigger deal than it is and turn it into a you-against-the-world kind of thing. just calm down. i know that you honestly just are interested in the league and creating good discourse, but your method is just a bit overbearing and obnoxious. i'm just saying!
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 3, 2007 0:00:06 GMT -5
wtf haberman go get laid and get off my back.... what's your vendetta against me? worry about yourself. dave, i like you. you're funny, you're a nice guy, all that shit. but you have this attitude where everything you say is holy, almost a gift that you're imparting on everyone else, and when someone takes objection (which is often because your remarks are always so pointed), you make it a bigger deal than it is and turn it into a you-against-the-world kind of thing. just calm down. i know that you honestly just are interested in the league and creating good discourse, but your method is just a bit overbearing and obnoxious. i'm just saying! i said james was right and had valid points about carter and still comes at me and then you jump on board. I think there is this false perception of the way people read my posts because all this bullshit is being said. Like when Spence says Dave's an ass it implants into people's thoughts so when they read my next post its like oh Dave's an ass. I get a bad rap and I expect better from you Haberman to not always jump down my throat on every topic but as of late you really have and I don't appreciate it. The more and more you jump on me, I'll be honest the more it makes me be hard on you(re-read this and this may be the gayest statement ever so gay and so funny I won't edit).
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Post by James on Sept 3, 2007 0:06:57 GMT -5
Krup, you saying that we will never win a championship is just as much as an attack as me saying (or stating) that we went further than you last season. Neither is gospel or for that matter, harsh, however both should be taken with a grain of salt. However, the principal of the matter is what bugged me. You asking why I attacked your team, when you attacked mine (the word attacked is way to hard).
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 3, 2007 0:13:27 GMT -5
worry about yourself. dave, i like you. you're funny, you're a nice guy, all that shit. but you have this attitude where everything you say is holy, almost a gift that you're imparting on everyone else, and when someone takes objection (which is often because your remarks are always so pointed), you make it a bigger deal than it is and turn it into a you-against-the-world kind of thing. just calm down. i know that you honestly just are interested in the league and creating good discourse, but your method is just a bit overbearing and obnoxious. i'm just saying! i said james was right and had valid points about carter and still comes at me and then you jump on board. I think there is this false perception of the way people read my posts because all this bullshit is being said. Like when Spence says Dave's an ass it implants into people's thoughts so when they read my next post its like oh Dave's an ass. I get a bad rap and I expect better from you Haberman to not always jump down my throat on every topic but as of late you really have and I don't appreciate it. The more and more you jump on me, I'll be honest the more it makes me be hard on you(re-read this and this may be the gayest statement ever so gay and so funny I won't edit). Dave, nobody makes me think a thing. And I don't jump on you for everything you say. You just think I do. You've jabbed at me and my trades and my team (remember how you used to constantly rip at my so-called plan?) and to be honest I don't care. I respect your right to criticize. I just think you use it every chance you get and you get holier than thou anytime someone confronts you on the fact that you're always bickering. I'm not jumping down your throat. Never once said a word to you during the Duce thing, or when you've argued with Greg, etc.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 3, 2007 0:33:35 GMT -5
i said james was right and had valid points about carter and still comes at me and then you jump on board. I think there is this false perception of the way people read my posts because all this bullshit is being said. Like when Spence says Dave's an ass it implants into people's thoughts so when they read my next post its like oh Dave's an ass. I get a bad rap and I expect better from you Haberman to not always jump down my throat on every topic but as of late you really have and I don't appreciate it. The more and more you jump on me, I'll be honest the more it makes me be hard on you(re-read this and this may be the gayest statement ever so gay and so funny I won't edit). Dave, nobody makes me think a thing. And I don't jump on you for everything you say. You just think I do. You've jabbed at me and my trades and my team (remember how you used to constantly rip at my so-called plan?) and to be honest I don't care. I respect your right to criticize. I just think you use it every chance you get and you get holier than thou anytime someone confronts you on the fact that you're always bickering. I'm not jumping down your throat. Never once said a word to you during the Duce thing, or when you've argued with Greg, etc. yea your plan sucked but so far what you got going on right now I love. Great anchor post player in Curry supported by a very nice compliment big in max. 2 great scorers and shooters in Redd and Gordon and a great mix of distributers to choose from. I think with your MLE this upcoming season it can be used to get that third big(if Cisse/Sow don't cut it) or a nice 2/3 type player to be your 6th man.
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Post by KruPaxson on Sept 3, 2007 0:33:54 GMT -5
Krup, you saying that we will never win a championship is just as much as an attack as me saying (or stating) that we went further than you last season. Neither is gospel or for that matter, harsh, however both should be taken with a grain of salt. However, the principal of the matter is what bugged me. You asking why I attacked your team, when you attacked mine (the word attacked is way to hard). you are being rather petty
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Post by KG on Sept 3, 2007 1:27:46 GMT -5
WOOT.
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Post by aaron2344 on Sept 11, 2007 20:49:59 GMT -5
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