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Post by aaronjh on Jan 3, 2007 20:39:56 GMT -5
no i understand it. i just think they hardly care what you or i think about their behavior. our expectations of them are pretty much meaningless. i'd like nba players to be class acts too... i'd like world peace for that matter. that's where you are really wrong. Kobe lost Sprite, McDonalds, and an Adidas deals after his alleged rape case. Melo also lost a magizine deal with southwest airlines after the brawl because of their image to the public after their actions. So if these players are there just to get "paid" like you say and not being a positive role model well you are wrong because it pays to be positive role model ask Dwayne Wade and Lebron James. He didn't lose Adidas, opted out of that prior to any allegations, if I recall correctly. But he did lose Nutella!
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Post by duce on Jan 3, 2007 20:40:55 GMT -5
a) i don't know why you're trying to force this into one topic. if you think the article is only about that 1 incident then maybe i'm not the one who didn't comprehend it. i think it has everything to do with sports in general, and if you don't then that's great... but you can't just "escape the argument by saying this article is only about so-and-so"... you can, but i'm callin you out on it. the only reason you change the subject is because you have nothing legitamit to say in response to that.
b) your security store example is completely assinine and has almost no relivance to this discussion other than the fact that it involves race. and yes, i'm biased toward MY OWN ARGUEMENT. who knew....
c) your marketing example also has no relivance. how the hell does that relate to yours or my opinion?
actually man, i'm done with this, because it seems very clear to me that for some reason you're out to "win an argument". it's childish. i only aim to resolve, what you're doing is stupid.
so yeah, talk all the shit and make all the irelivant points to make this seem like a non-racial issue you want... maybe somebody else can humor you.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 3, 2007 20:48:51 GMT -5
that's where you are really wrong. Kobe lost Sprite, McDonalds, and an Adidas deals after his alleged rape case. Melo also lost a magizine deal with southwest airlines after the brawl because of their image to the public after their actions. So if these players are there just to get "paid" like you say and not being a positive role model well you are wrong because it pays to be positive role model ask Dwayne Wade and Lebron James. He didn't lose Adidas, opted out of that prior to any allegations, if I recall correctly. But he did lose Nutella! sorry it was nike. "The words also were for the benefit of millions of people who buy products from Nike, McDonald's, Sprite and other companies that collectively pay Bryant as much as $20 million annually. It was one round in the fight to preserve the possibility of Kobe Bryant as a trustworthy brand, a redeemable product -- and to battle against public suspicions that he might be a coldhearted creep whose advertising image is a lie. "www.youthlacrosseusa.com/generalnews/rebuildingreputation_080203.html
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 3, 2007 20:56:15 GMT -5
a) i don't know why you're trying to force this into one topic. if you think the article is only about that 1 incident then maybe i'm not the one who didn't comprehend it. i think it has everything to do with sports in general, and if you don't then that's great... but you can't just "escape the argument by saying this article is only about so-and-so"... you can, but i'm callin you out on it. the only reason you change the subject is because you have nothing legitamit to say in response to that. b) your security store example is completely assinine and has almost no relivance to this discussion other than the fact that it involves race. and yes, i'm biased toward MY OWN ARGUEMENT. who knew.... c) your marketing example also has no relivance. how the hell does that relate to yours or my opinion? actually man, i'm done with this, because it seems very clear to me that for some reason you're out to "win an argument". it's childish. i only aim to resolve, what you're doing is stupid. so yeah, talk all the shit and make all the irelivant points to make this seem like a non-racial issue you want... maybe somebody else can humor you. any question I ask you, it's dodged such as my metaphorical example of the store. I happened to mention a few incidents in the NBA dating back to the 1970's. We are in a basketball league and I was discussing basketball. The original topic of debate was whether the NBA which is not all of sports should have harsher penaltys for such violent actions to clean up their image as a league. My arguments have been very legitament and concrete as I give you countless examples and is not an issue of me being right or you being wrong but more of an understanding of opinions. I still don't get where you make this about race and just curious what is your ethnic background?
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Post by The X-Factor on Jan 3, 2007 20:58:02 GMT -5
First for you to play the race card to the NBA bc of it's majority is of African American race is idiotic and this is the ignorance that Martin Luther King fought hard to be stopped. If you continue to seperate African Americans from White to Latinos etc. this is the problem that lies at hand. Personally I feel Black History Month is racist. Why have a one month out of 12 to say it's black history month...why is not just history all the time? The NBA is the highest profesional level of basketball and it holds standards such as every other major professional sports league. There is such a thing as integrity in the league and that David Stern is trying to uphold. The NBA is a job! Would you not be fired from your job if you were to fight with a fellow co worker or customer. This whole article stemmed from the fact of a NBA player by the name of Awvee Storey sucker punching a fellow team mate at practice and nearly killing him and he had run ins with the law before. These are not the people that should have the privledge of playing in the NBA. It's not everyone's right to play in the NBA. If you can get that through your thick skulls. It's not a white or black issue or whether you came from the streets or the suburbs. If a rich white player such as Mike Dunleavey did the same thing I would be raising the same issue but he did not and it just so happens to be that the people that keep fighting or committing these actions happen to be black players that have had trouble with the law. That's just what happens to be. It's unfortunate but that's the situation at hand no one is saying it's a black thing because it's the NBA besides you two. Also Carmelo Athony I've had the displeasure of meeting him once and I was not impressed. I also have many friends and people I've work with that had encounters with him and concour with my thoughts about him. He was also widely known at Syracuse for being disrespectful to women around the party scene and I'm sure if he would have stayed in a college atmosphere it would have been to his detriment. How is idiotic when it's the truth? Many NBA players echo the same sentiment. Hell even your boys at PTI talked about the same thing in my favor. How is Black History month racist? Now THAT is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I think we owe it to African-Americans everywhere atleast one month out of year to celebrate their culture after the hundreds and hundreds spent in slavery. I think it's also a great idea because the history they teach you in schools is "Americanized" and complete bullshit. There is a Latino-Hispanic heritage month as well so that point is moot. No one is saying that it's entirely a race thing. I'm saying that it has ALOT to do about it. You can't compare an "everyday" job to the NBA job. Sure, if you fought at your job you would more than likely got fired. Though, chances are your not making millions, chances are your not under contract, and if your "fired" your company would owe you millions, chances are you don't make millions off of marketing your name as well. So that comparison is weak. The NBA is FINE as it is. Christ, am I the only one who remembers the days of Knicks-Heat/Bulls brawls? The fucking INSANE game(s) between Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers of Bird/Kareem era where they literally were in a damn war? You mean to tell me just because some punk kid in the NBDL punches a teammate and almost kills him that the NBA needs to clean up their image? Anyone who doesn't follow sports as much as we probably do probably never even heard of Storey or the NBDL for that matter. Point? The NBA is fine, it's the media who need to stop overreacting.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 3, 2007 21:15:14 GMT -5
First for you to play the race card to the NBA bc of it's majority is of African American race is idiotic and this is the ignorance that Martin Luther King fought hard to be stopped. If you continue to seperate African Americans from White to Latinos etc. this is the problem that lies at hand. Personally I feel Black History Month is racist. Why have a one month out of 12 to say it's black history month...why is not just history all the time? The NBA is the highest profesional level of basketball and it holds standards such as every other major professional sports league. There is such a thing as integrity in the league and that David Stern is trying to uphold. The NBA is a job! Would you not be fired from your job if you were to fight with a fellow co worker or customer. This whole article stemmed from the fact of a NBA player by the name of Awvee Storey sucker punching a fellow team mate at practice and nearly killing him and he had run ins with the law before. These are not the people that should have the privledge of playing in the NBA. It's not everyone's right to play in the NBA. If you can get that through your thick skulls. It's not a white or black issue or whether you came from the streets or the suburbs. If a rich white player such as Mike Dunleavey did the same thing I would be raising the same issue but he did not and it just so happens to be that the people that keep fighting or committing these actions happen to be black players that have had trouble with the law. That's just what happens to be. It's unfortunate but that's the situation at hand no one is saying it's a black thing because it's the NBA besides you two. Also Carmelo Athony I've had the displeasure of meeting him once and I was not impressed. I also have many friends and people I've work with that had encounters with him and concour with my thoughts about him. He was also widely known at Syracuse for being disrespectful to women around the party scene and I'm sure if he would have stayed in a college atmosphere it would have been to his detriment. How is idiotic when it's the truth? Many NBA players echo the same sentiment. Hell even your boys at PTI talked about the same thing in my favor. How is Black History month racist? Now THAT is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I think we owe it to African-Americans everywhere atleast one month out of year to celebrate their culture after the hundreds and hundreds spent in slavery. I think it's also a great idea because the history they teach you in schools is "Americanized" and complete bullshit. There is a Latino-Hispanic heritage month as well so that point is moot. No one is saying that it's entirely a race thing. I'm saying that it has ALOT to do about it. You can't compare an "everyday" job to the NBA job. Sure, if you fought at your job you would more than likely got fired. Though, chances are your not making millions, chances are your not under contract, and if your "fired" your company would owe you millions, chances are you don't make millions off of marketing your name as well. So that comparison is weak. The NBA is FINE as it is. Christ, am I the only one who remembers the days of Knicks-Heat/Bulls brawls? The fucking INSANE game(s) between Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers of Bird/Kareem era where they literally were in a damn war? You mean to tell me just because some punk kid in the NBDL punches a teammate and almost kills him that the NBA needs to clean up their image? Anyone who doesn't follow sports as much as we probably do probably never even heard of Storey or the NBDL for that matter. Point? The NBA is fine, it's the media who need to stop overreacting. 1 month dedicated to black people is segregation which is what was being fought hard to stop. You don't think saying hey lets not give a shit about this 11 months out of the year but lets make them happy by giving them one month to make it important. I don't owe shit my family was indentured servants coming over to America like most immigrants which has nothing to do with me today. Should I owe them their own personal water fountain too? Geese these are the ignorant thoughts I find disgusting. I don't look at black people as second rate citizens that we should take time 1/12 out of the year to recognize. It's not black or latino history..it's history. Just look at us as people not black people not white people but people. The NBA is not a black league its not a white league its a league. You are right Chris it's absurd to compare a normal job to being an NBA player. I'm glad you see that point I made because if it's unacceptable to do these things making $30,000-100,000 it should be totally unacceptable making millions. And finally you awknowledged the fact they he was a punk kid.
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 3, 2007 21:55:01 GMT -5
First for you to play the race card to the NBA bc of it's majority is of African American race is idiotic and this is the ignorance that Martin Luther King fought hard to be stopped. If you continue to seperate African Americans from White to Latinos etc. this is the problem that lies at hand. Personally I feel Black History Month is racist. Why have a one month out of 12 to say it's black history month...why is not just history all the time? The NBA is the highest profesional level of basketball and it holds standards such as every other major professional sports league. There is such a thing as integrity in the league and that David Stern is trying to uphold. The NBA is a job! Would you not be fired from your job if you were to fight with a fellow co worker or customer. This whole article stemmed from the fact of a NBA player by the name of Awvee Storey sucker punching a fellow team mate at practice and nearly killing him and he had run ins with the law before. These are not the people that should have the privledge of playing in the NBA. It's not everyone's right to play in the NBA. If you can get that through your thick skulls. It's not a white or black issue or whether you came from the streets or the suburbs. If a rich white player such as Mike Dunleavey did the same thing I would be raising the same issue but he did not and it just so happens to be that the people that keep fighting or committing these actions happen to be black players that have had trouble with the law. That's just what happens to be. It's unfortunate but that's the situation at hand no one is saying it's a black thing because it's the NBA besides you two. Also Carmelo Athony I've had the displeasure of meeting him once and I was not impressed. I also have many friends and people I've work with that had encounters with him and concour with my thoughts about him. He was also widely known at Syracuse for being disrespectful to women around the party scene and I'm sure if he would have stayed in a college atmosphere it would have been to his detriment. How is idiotic when it's the truth? Many NBA players echo the same sentiment. Hell even your boys at PTI talked about the same thing in my favor. How is Black History month racist? Now THAT is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I think we owe it to African-Americans everywhere atleast one month out of year to celebrate their culture after the hundreds and hundreds spent in slavery. I think it's also a great idea because the history they teach you in schools is "Americanized" and complete bullshit. There is a Latino-Hispanic heritage month as well so that point is moot. No one is saying that it's entirely a race thing. I'm saying that it has ALOT to do about it. You can't compare an "everyday" job to the NBA job. Sure, if you fought at your job you would more than likely got fired. Though, chances are your not making millions, chances are your not under contract, and if your "fired" your company would owe you millions, chances are you don't make millions off of marketing your name as well. So that comparison is weak. The NBA is FINE as it is. Christ, am I the only one who remembers the days of Knicks-Heat/Bulls brawls? The fucking INSANE game(s) between Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers of Bird/Kareem era where they literally were in a damn war? You mean to tell me just because some punk kid in the NBDL punches a teammate and almost kills him that the NBA needs to clean up their image? Anyone who doesn't follow sports as much as we probably do probably never even heard of Storey or the NBDL for that matter. Point? The NBA is fine, it's the media who need to stop overreacting. I really dont care about your whole argument but your response on how Black History Month isn't racist is the biggest crock of bullshit I have ever heard and when slavery is used in modern terms it makes me absolutley sick. If you ever payed any attention to those "Americanized" teachings in school (maybe it was Americanized because you live in America) you should learned a little about immigration into this country. How the Chinese died in the railroads due to indentured servantry, or how the Europeans fled war torn plagued homelands on crowded ships where many died to come to America and be forced to work for absolutley nothing. Now slavery yeah might of been a little harder, but minorities in this country don't grasp the hardships that white people have had coming into this country. So where do I sign up for my Irish-American month or my Italian-American month. Hell maybe I can even get some reperations from when my Ancestors of Germania were inslaved by the Ancient Romans. It's just ridiculous that slavery is still being used as an excuse when so many of us can really use it but choose not to because the past is long behind us.
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Post by The X-Factor on Jan 3, 2007 22:44:41 GMT -5
How is idiotic when it's the truth? Many NBA players echo the same sentiment. Hell even your boys at PTI talked about the same thing in my favor. How is Black History month racist? Now THAT is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I think we owe it to African-Americans everywhere atleast one month out of year to celebrate their culture after the hundreds and hundreds spent in slavery. I think it's also a great idea because the history they teach you in schools is "Americanized" and complete bullshit. There is a Latino-Hispanic heritage month as well so that point is moot. No one is saying that it's entirely a race thing. I'm saying that it has ALOT to do about it. You can't compare an "everyday" job to the NBA job. Sure, if you fought at your job you would more than likely got fired. Though, chances are your not making millions, chances are your not under contract, and if your "fired" your company would owe you millions, chances are you don't make millions off of marketing your name as well. So that comparison is weak. The NBA is FINE as it is. Christ, am I the only one who remembers the days of Knicks-Heat/Bulls brawls? The fucking INSANE game(s) between Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers of Bird/Kareem era where they literally were in a damn war? You mean to tell me just because some punk kid in the NBDL punches a teammate and almost kills him that the NBA needs to clean up their image? Anyone who doesn't follow sports as much as we probably do probably never even heard of Storey or the NBDL for that matter. Point? The NBA is fine, it's the media who need to stop overreacting. I really dont care about your whole argument but your response on how Black History Month isn't racist is the biggest crock of bullshit I have ever heard and when slavery is used in modern terms it makes me absolutley sick. If you ever payed any attention to those "Americanized" teachings in school (maybe it was Americanized because you live in America) you should learned a little about immigration into this country. How the Chinese died in the railroads due to indentured servantry, or how the Europeans fled war torn plagued homelands on crowded ships where many died to come to America and be forced to work for absolutley nothing. Now slavery yeah might of been a little harder, but minorities in this country don't grasp the hardships that white people have had coming into this country. So where do I sign up for my Irish-American month or my Italian-American month. Hell maybe I can even get some reperations from when my Ancestors of Germania were inslaved by the Ancient Romans. It's just ridiculous that slavery is still being used as an excuse when so many of us can really use it but choose not to because the past is long behind us. Realize what? A "minimal" period of time compared to the hundreds and hundreds of years slavery took place? How slavery STILL goes on today in some parts of Africa and even South America? That's what I mean, you're spoon-fed a ton of bullshit in school and have no clue, wake up and welcome to the real world. Slavery to this day still very much exists, in the United States? No, it really doesn't, but to say "slavery" is long behind us is ridiculous. Just because it doesn't go on in the United States, doesn't mean it shouldn't matter. What minorites are you talking about? The Mexicans who take the jobs "white" people don't want? I'm sure some of them have no firm grasp of the hardships white people had immigrating to this country. I mean, some of them come to this country with no insurance, making less than minimum wage, trying to amount enough income to support their family back home. South America isn't the greatest place to live, and MANY people flee due to the problems in their country. Um, Italian-American month is in October you douche and it is A NATIONAL thing signed by the president. Certain cities and/or states may celebrate their own heritage months as well. The problem is, you people don't realize there IS A WHOLE FUCKING MONTH DEDICATED TO OTHER HERITAGES AS WELL. Christ, just because it isn't as publicized doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You kids really need to stop reading the books they give you in school and start hitting up Barnes and Nobles.
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 3, 2007 23:24:37 GMT -5
I really dont care about your whole argument but your response on how Black History Month isn't racist is the biggest crock of bullshit I have ever heard and when slavery is used in modern terms it makes me absolutley sick. If you ever payed any attention to those "Americanized" teachings in school (maybe it was Americanized because you live in America) you should learned a little about immigration into this country. How the Chinese died in the railroads due to indentured servantry, or how the Europeans fled war torn plagued homelands on crowded ships where many died to come to America and be forced to work for absolutley nothing. Now slavery yeah might of been a little harder, but minorities in this country don't grasp the hardships that white people have had coming into this country. So where do I sign up for my Irish-American month or my Italian-American month. Hell maybe I can even get some reperations from when my Ancestors of Germania were inslaved by the Ancient Romans. It's just ridiculous that slavery is still being used as an excuse when so many of us can really use it but choose not to because the past is long behind us. Realize what? A "minimal" period of time compared to the hundreds and hundreds of years slavery took place? How slavery STILL goes on today in some parts of Africa and even South America? That's what I mean, you're spoon-fed a ton of bullshit in school and have no clue, wake up and welcome to the real world. Slavery to this day still very much exists, in the United States? No, it really doesn't, but to say "slavery" is long behind us is ridiculous. Just because it doesn't go on in the United States, doesn't mean it shouldn't matter. What minorites are you talking about? The Mexicans who take the jobs "white" people don't want? I'm sure some of them have no firm grasp of the hardships white people had immigrating to this country. I mean, some of them come to this country with no insurance, making less than minimum wage, trying to amount enough income to support their family back home. South America isn't the greatest place to live, and MANY people flee due to the problems in their country. Um, Italian-American month is in October you douche and it is A NATIONAL thing signed by the president. Certain cities and/or states may celebrate their own heritage months as well. The problem is, you people don't realize there IS A WHOLE FUCKING MONTH DEDICATED TO OTHER HERITAGES AS WELL. Christ, just because it isn't as publicized doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You kids really need to stop reading the books they give you in school and start hitting up Barnes and Nobles. How the hell is South American and African affairs with slavery today relevant in an American child's education. Because we don't learn about the minimal slavery that still exists in todays world that makes the education in history we learn "bullshit"? Listen I don't really know what the fuck you learned in school but most schools teach about how our nation was started how we grew to power and came to be the most dominant nation on this planet and how we came from absolutley nothing. Now if I were to pick and choose South American and African slavery or American History to teach my children I'm sorry but I'm going to go with the latter. The real world my friend dosen't involve excursions into South American Slave Camps. Now when I mean't Slavery is long behind us, I thought you would grasp that "us" equals Americans because last I checked Black History month has shit on slaves internationally. First of all I'd like to point out how you used the term "Mexicans" and then went on how "South America isn't the greatest place to live." Now I don't have a globe put last time I checked Mexico was in North America, not positive though on that one. I'll agree though with your statement that they take the jobs people don't like, make minimum wage but many if not most come into this country illegally and destroy certain economical needs like hospitals. But Minorities I was speaking about was African-Americans because most of them are citizens and they aren't Americanized enough in school about white immigration to this country. I think its hilarious your trying to match Italian-American month to the same magnitude of Black History month. Thats all Ill say about that.
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Post by aaronjh on Jan 3, 2007 23:53:13 GMT -5
Chris, I like you tonight. This is rare.
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Post by The X-Factor on Jan 4, 2007 0:27:21 GMT -5
Realize what? A "minimal" period of time compared to the hundreds and hundreds of years slavery took place? How slavery STILL goes on today in some parts of Africa and even South America? That's what I mean, you're spoon-fed a ton of bullshit in school and have no clue, wake up and welcome to the real world. Slavery to this day still very much exists, in the United States? No, it really doesn't, but to say "slavery" is long behind us is ridiculous. Just because it doesn't go on in the United States, doesn't mean it shouldn't matter. What minorites are you talking about? The Mexicans who take the jobs "white" people don't want? I'm sure some of them have no firm grasp of the hardships white people had immigrating to this country. I mean, some of them come to this country with no insurance, making less than minimum wage, trying to amount enough income to support their family back home. South America isn't the greatest place to live, and MANY people flee due to the problems in their country. Um, Italian-American month is in October you douche and it is A NATIONAL thing signed by the president. Certain cities and/or states may celebrate their own heritage months as well. The problem is, you people don't realize there IS A WHOLE FUCKING MONTH DEDICATED TO OTHER HERITAGES AS WELL. Christ, just because it isn't as publicized doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You kids really need to stop reading the books they give you in school and start hitting up Barnes and Nobles. How the hell is South American and African affairs with slavery today relevant in an American child's education. Because we don't learn about the minimal slavery that still exists in todays world that makes the education in history we learn "bullshit"? Listen I don't really know what the fuck you learned in school but most schools teach about how our nation was started how we grew to power and came to be the most dominant nation on this planet and how we came from absolutley nothing. Now if I were to pick and choose South American and African slavery or American History to teach my children I'm sorry but I'm going to go with the latter. The real world my friend dosen't involve excursions into South American Slave Camps. Now when I mean't Slavery is long behind us, I thought you would grasp that "us" equals Americans because last I checked Black History month has shit on slaves internationally. First of all I'd like to point out how you used the term "Mexicans" and then went on how "South America isn't the greatest place to live." Now I don't have a globe put last time I checked Mexico was in North America, not positive though on that one. I'll agree though with your statement that they take the jobs people don't like, make minimum wage but many if not most come into this country illegally and destroy certain economical needs like hospitals. But Minorities I was speaking about was African-Americans because most of them are citizens and they aren't Americanized enough in school about white immigration to this country. I think its hilarious your trying to match Italian-American month to the same magnitude of Black History month. Thats all Ill say about that. Is it entirely relevant? In many ways yes, because people in America ONLY care about America. They don't realize that they got it EASY in this country and take EVERYTHING for granted. I was just trying to argue your point that slavery should be forgotten because it isn't "relevant" anymore, and to say that it's minimal these days is absolutely the most ignorant thing to say. It's not that the schools don't teach you American history. They teach you the American history AMERICA wants you to believe. They don't tell you how those Italian-Irish-Quakers whatever the hell bullshit they say, stole the land from the Indians, basically massacred them all, and this is all some kind of "One Nation Under God." That George Washington was some kind of hero? Please, America was built on blood, lies, and bullshit, and still is. You can choose to teach your children whatever history you want. I'm not telling you school children should have to learn about European history, or anything like that. I'm just telling you the truth, isn't in school books, that's a fact. Thanks for the Geography lesson. Yes, I did use Mexico and Southern America in the same sentence. Though, I used Mexicans as a "generalized" way of saying illegal immigrants, because most Americans think every tanned-Spanish speaking worker comes from Mexico. If you think they destroy certain economical needs your insane. Hospitals? You mean this country where if you don't have a job or go to school you can't have some kind of insurance? I was paying a good $250 a month when I started my new job and was out of school for insurance. You mean to tell me an illegal immigrant or someone brought up from poverty is going to be able to afford something like that? Take a look at Canada's system and you will see why America's system is EXTREMELY flawed. I'm from Spain, and there, immigration runs rampant. Many Africans come to Spain for a better life, escaping poverty, civil war, and slavery. Many die on the boat ride over, some have to be sent back because Spain can't handle so many immigrants. Though, those that stay are given shelter, a job, INSURANCE. Tell me whens the last time you saw an Illegal Mexican hop the border, given a place to eat and sleep at, a job, and INSURANCE? So don't tell me it's not relevant, because I deal with that every summer. Immigrants make this country run, it's as simple as that. And I wasn't comparing the media-play or "popularity" of Black History month to Italian-American month, but you said where was "your" month, I told you October, simple isn't it?
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 1:01:29 GMT -5
ok so i don't believe in italian or irish american month either....I also get pissed off when I see people with the 100% italian tshirts or puerto rican flags hanging from the rear view mirrors in cars. just thought i'd toss that out there....
...Also when Martinez is ranting about the slavery that still exists today all I thought was....TEAM AMERICA FUCK YEA haha. Dude Chris get over the whole skin color thing. We're people, life isn't fair and we all have our struggles. We need to move forth and not worry about correcting the wrongs of things that happened over 10 generations ago but rather not make the same mistakes as the past isn't that what history is all about? Pig did crack me up with his globe statement about Mexico. Haberman is just upset because when his people got out of slavery they got lost in the desert for 40yrs...fuckin bummer dude. This thread has officially become a joke but I'm still curious to hear one last response from Duce from my post before.
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Post by duce on Jan 4, 2007 1:27:30 GMT -5
nope.
however, i think you need to take slavery more seriously. you were probably joking but if you had an ounce of dignity you should probably retract your cheap-shot at God's people... that was pretty much stupid... you sit here and call everyone ignorant but you seem to not be very knowledgable of the issues at hand. bless you anyway though.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 1:34:50 GMT -5
You know you're right Duce and we should blame God. Why did he have to call the The Champs the chosen people. If he never did that then the The Champs in Isreal, the Muslims, and the Catholics would never be fighting for so long over this holy land. If God wasn't such a racist and said everyone is my chosen people then no land would be holy and wars wouldn't have been faught and Hitler wouldn't have been threatened by the The Champs and we wouldn't be discussing this at all today because we would all live in peace and harmony. So in the end I guess we blame God for racism because he started it.
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Post by duce on Jan 4, 2007 1:40:28 GMT -5
well i guess you showed me, you win.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 1:41:50 GMT -5
we're all winners duce...we're all winners except for the losers
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Post by Spencer on Jan 4, 2007 1:48:03 GMT -5
Oh what a lovely tea party.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 1:52:29 GMT -5
i did compare spence to hitler once if that makes anyone feel any better
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 4, 2007 1:54:13 GMT -5
"Is it entirely relevant? In many ways yes, because people in America ONLY care about America. They don't realize that they got it EASY in this country and take EVERYTHING for granted. I was just trying to argue your point that slavery should be forgotten because it isn't "relevant" anymore, and to say that it's minimal these days is absolutely the most ignorant thing to say."
How is it ignorant to put the past behind someone because truly it dosen't matter anymore. American Slavery happened in the 19th century, I got to look out for whats most important to me and thats my life, my country and my future why cry about the past and cry about something thats completley out of mine or your control.
It's not that the schools don't teach you American history. They teach you the American history AMERICA wants you to believe. They don't tell you how those Italian-Irish-Quakers whatever the hell bullshit they say, stole the land from the Indians, basically massacred them all, and this is all some kind of "One Nation Under God." That George Washington was some kind of hero? Please, America was built on blood, lies, and bullshit, and still is.
Quakers are against war might wanna check your facts on that one again and during the most part it was disease and the British who combined for about 70 % of those deaths. George Washington led the fight for freedom so you and I and all the people of this nation could have the freedoms we have today.
Thanks for the Geography lesson. Yes, I did use Mexico and Southern America in the same sentence. Though, I used Mexicans as a "generalized" way of saying illegal immigrants, because most Americans think every tanned-Spanish speaking worker comes from Mexico.
Not all South Americans are Mexicans you fucking racist.
If you think they destroy certain economical needs your insane. Hospitals? You mean this country where if you don't have a job or go to school you can't have some kind of insurance? I was paying a good $250 a month when I started my new job and was out of school for insurance. You mean to tell me an illegal immigrant or someone brought up from poverty is going to be able to afford something like that? Take a look at Canada's system and you will see why America's system is EXTREMELY flawed.
Illegal Immigrants have destroyed hospitals in the Southwest. Your nation cough excuse me the nation which you reside in is in a little bit of a debt problem right now. Illegal Immigrants can't even get insurance because there illegal. Canada dosent have tens of thousands of immigrants pouring the borders illegaly or the population size of the United States maybe thats why they have such a great system.
I'm from Spain, and there, immigration runs rampant. Many Africans come to Spain for a better life, escaping poverty, civil war, and slavery. Many die on the boat ride over, some have to be sent back because Spain can't handle so many immigrants. Though, those that stay are given shelter, a job, INSURANCE. Tell me whens the last time you saw an Illegal Mexican hop the border, given a place to eat and sleep at, a job, and INSURANCE? So don't tell me it's not relevant, because I deal with that every summer.
I'm from America, and there immigration runs rampant. Many Hispanics come to America for a better life, escaping poverty, civil war and slavery. However America has 10 times the population of a country like....let's say Spain. So therefore there isn't really much room because at the rate illegal immigration is spreading by 2030 America's illegal immigrants will outnumber citizens. However theres something called a Green Card which allows immigrants to come into this country legally, the right way and they can gain citizenship and rightfully will be granted the opportunity to pay for insurance.
Immigrants make this country run, it's as simple as that.
A Classic line from the early 20th century when Ellis Island was still opened.
And I wasn't comparing the media-play or "popularity" of Black History month to Italian-American month, but you said where was "your" month, I told you October, simple isn't it?
I'm Irish not Italian.
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 4, 2007 2:01:37 GMT -5
Chris, I like you tonight. This is rare. Aaron is against everything I believe in, eventhough we did bond over my christmas gift of 75 cents to a homeless man in the city which i got shit from reilly and his girlfriend the rest of the night.
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Post by Spencer on Jan 4, 2007 2:04:34 GMT -5
i did compare spence to hitler once if that makes anyone feel any better Probably your brightest shining moment.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 2:13:34 GMT -5
How is idiotic when it's the truth? Many NBA players echo the same sentiment. Hell even your boys at PTI talked about the same thing in my favor. How is Black History month racist? Now THAT is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. I think we owe it to African-Americans everywhere atleast one month out of year to celebrate their culture after the hundreds and hundreds spent in slavery. I think it's also a great idea because the history they teach you in schools is "Americanized" and complete bullshit. There is a Latino-Hispanic heritage month as well so that point is moot. No one is saying that it's entirely a race thing. I'm saying that it has ALOT to do about it. You can't compare an "everyday" job to the NBA job. Sure, if you fought at your job you would more than likely got fired. Though, chances are your not making millions, chances are your not under contract, and if your "fired" your company would owe you millions, chances are you don't make millions off of marketing your name as well. So that comparison is weak. The NBA is FINE as it is. Christ, am I the only one who remembers the days of Knicks-Heat/Bulls brawls? The fucking INSANE game(s) between Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers of Bird/Kareem era where they literally were in a damn war? You mean to tell me just because some punk kid in the NBDL punches a teammate and almost kills him that the NBA needs to clean up their image? Anyone who doesn't follow sports as much as we probably do probably never even heard of Storey or the NBDL for that matter. Point? The NBA is fine, it's the media who need to stop overreacting. With all this talk of being ignorant and American Schooling I just wanted to point out a few things about this post by Chris Martinez. Above is the Original Post below in bold are some things worth looking into. How is idiotic when it's the truth? Many NBA players echo the same sentiment. Hell even your boys at PTI talked about the same thing in my favor. How is Black History month racist? Now THAT is the most idiotic thing I (lets use verbs such as HAVE)ever heard. I think we owe it to African-Americans everywhere atleast one ( Maybe try once) month out of year to celebrate their culture after the hundreds and hundreds spent in slavery. I think it's also a great idea because the history they teach you in schools is (should be ARE)"Americanized" and complete bullshit. There is a Latino-Hispanic heritage month as well so that point is moot. No one is saying that it's entirely a race thing. I'm saying that it has ALOT to do about it. You can't compare an "everyday" job to the NBA job. Sure, if you fought at your job you would more than likely got fired. (Lets pick a tense here...Sure, If you fought at your job then you would have more than likely have gotten fired)Though, chances are your not making millions, chances are your not under contract, and if your "fired" your company would owe you millions, chances are you don't make millions off of marketing your name as well. So that comparison is weak. The NBA is FINE as it is. Christ, am I the only one who remembers the days of Knicks-Heat/Bulls brawls? The fucking INSANE game(s) between Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers of Bird/Kareem era where they literally were in a damn war? You mean to tell me just because some punk kid in the NBDL punches a teammate and almost kills him that the NBA needs to clean up their image? Anyone who doesn't follow sports as much as we probably do probably never even heard of Storey or the NBDL for that matter. Please stop being ignorant and learn the difference between your and you're. Get an American Dictionary at least. Subject Verb Agreement. Also difference tenses such as Past which you seem overly concerned with, present, future, present perfect, future perfect. www.englishpage.com/verbpage/verbtenseintro.html This might help!
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 2:14:29 GMT -5
Chris, I like you tonight. This is rare. Aaron is against everything I believe in, eventhough we did bond over my christmas gift of 75 cents to a homeless man in the city which i got shit from reilly and his girlfriend the rest of the night. are you calling me or hernando reilly's gf or did you just imagine she was there
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 4, 2007 2:16:42 GMT -5
Aaron is against everything I believe in, eventhough we did bond over my christmas gift of 75 cents to a homeless man in the city which i got shit from reilly and his girlfriend the rest of the night. are you calling me or hernando reilly's gf or did you just imagine she was there she was on the phone
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Post by KruPaxson on Jan 4, 2007 2:18:48 GMT -5
are you calling me or hernando reilly's gf or did you just imagine she was there she was on the phone i bet you had a nice visual
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