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Post by gmgreggor on Nov 19, 2007 12:45:29 GMT -5
Can we say bust yet?
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Post by duce on Nov 19, 2007 13:00:37 GMT -5
lol.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 19, 2007 13:05:30 GMT -5
complete bust. He has done absolutely nothing in the 1 1/2 seasons he's been in the NFL, that's like a lifetime! He's worse than Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Nov 19, 2007 19:22:10 GMT -5
he definitely hasnt lived up to the hype
the way he played in college (outrun everyone) doesnt work in the pros because instead of there possibly being 1 guy running th same type of 40 as him on defense there r now 3 or 4 on the field against him
his style is slowing adjusting to the pros... he may change it around but he will never be what most expected
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Post by footyhead on Nov 20, 2007 3:16:33 GMT -5
Just curiously, who won the ROY last year?
I thought Bush did?
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Post by play34basketball on Nov 20, 2007 3:21:51 GMT -5
Just curiously, who won the ROY last year? I thought Bush did? Vince Young Bush is a bust....I always get into arguments because I say he's a bust, for the hype he received coming out of college he hasn't lived up to it at all. He finally has a chance to be the man since Duce got injured and he hasn't showed me anything.
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Post by footyhead on Nov 20, 2007 4:34:29 GMT -5
Young won it? Wasn't he blasted for being overrated last season?
Nonetheless, hes done nothing this year as well.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 20, 2007 7:04:31 GMT -5
I don't get how someone in barely hs 2nd season can already be labeled as a bust.
Reggie Bush wasn't drafted to be the #1 back. Anyone who knows football can tel you that. Bush brings versatility. The ability to catch, return kicks, block, rush, etc. It's the intangibles that he brings. Now just because New Orleans is losing, he's being crucified.
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 20, 2007 10:08:57 GMT -5
Young won it? Wasn't he blasted for being overrated last season? Nonetheless, hes done nothing this year as well. Nah, he was pretty unbelievable last season.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Nov 20, 2007 10:49:06 GMT -5
Vince Young won games last year and thats what everyone was talking about... the only other guy who had a comparable year for ROY was Marques Colston and they aren't giving it to a guy who got drafted in 7th round from Hofstra over one of the most top heavy drafts ever
no draft in the nfl is ever seriously evaluated until after the 3rd season. You can label whatever player you want a bust but most of the time the 3rd season is when you see something. Some guys are instantly great in the nfl but other times it takes till the 3rd year (see Braylon Edwards this year)
Bush hasn't lived up to the hype dont say he is a bust just yet though
I don't think he is going to ever be as good as originally thought but this is how the nfl is evaluated
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Post by jahallstar on Nov 20, 2007 14:48:23 GMT -5
lol....He has done nothing? I'm I missing something or does he not have more receptions through his first 25 games than any other player in NFL history?
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Post by duce on Nov 20, 2007 15:27:38 GMT -5
I'm actually pretty healthy, not sure what you're getting at Play.
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Post by jahallstar on Nov 20, 2007 16:40:09 GMT -5
lol
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Post by gmgreggor on Nov 20, 2007 20:56:27 GMT -5
I'm actually pretty healthy, not sure what you're getting at Play. Good one.
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Post by gmgreggor on Nov 20, 2007 21:01:47 GMT -5
lol....He has done nothing? I'm I missing something or does he not have more receptions through his first 25 games than any other player in NFL history? Where'd you get this stat from? But even if he does, look a his YPC avg. He catches the ball and gets tackled. What happened to that big play reputation? And CJ I agree for the most part. But RB's generally are what they are right out of college. Look at the history of RB's. The great/good ones are usually good right off the bat. Thats because the transition of a RB really doesnt change from college to pro. See a hole hit it. Now the blocking and rec can take time yea, but running is pretty much you got it or you dont.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 20, 2007 21:27:17 GMT -5
lol....He has done nothing? I'm I missing something or does he not have more receptions through his first 25 games than any other player in NFL history? Where'd you get this stat from? But even if he does, look a his YPC avg. He catches the ball and gets tackled. What happened to that big play reputation? And CJ I agree for the most part. But RB's generally are what they are right out of college. Look at the history of RB's. The great/good ones are usually good right off the bat. Thats because the transition of a RB really doesnt change from college to pro. See a hole hit it. Now the blocking and rec can take time yea, but running is pretty much you got it or you dont. Bush didn't lead the league in receptions but was #10, as a rookie, and a RB! Grabbing 88 recepts and now this season is tied for 4th! When no one's blocking for you, it's hard to have alot of YAC, it has barely been a season and a half and you're calling this guy a bust already? That is laughable and retarded. No one would be saying anything if New Orleans was winning and YAC is a very overrated stat, some of the best recievers in the game didn't have a whole lot of YAC.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Nov 21, 2007 3:22:01 GMT -5
reggie bush was never really supposed to be just a RB... he was a hybrid player who can do more things well then about any other player in the league
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Post by gmgreggor on Nov 21, 2007 11:14:21 GMT -5
OK, let me state my point once again. He is versatile yes, not quite the breakaway threat as advertised but versatile. My point has always been he should not have been taken as high as he was. I just dont think 3rd down backs are top 5 picks. Will he be a solid pro? He might, I just think if I were going to take a RB number 2 I want him to be a workhorse back, not a 3rd down/specialty back or I would take a different position if one wasnt there that fit that.
And I'm not just talking about YAC, I'm talking about yards per reception. He's not running deep paterns, I thought that was supposed to be his strength. Not to just catch swing passes out of the backfield but get down the field like a WR. It's not happening.
And this is the same OL line they had last year that got them to the NFC finals isnt it?
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Post by cjmjones008 on Nov 21, 2007 12:20:10 GMT -5
A 3rd down back shouldnt be a 1st round pick more or less then 2nd pick in the draft
but they werent drafting him to be a 3rd down back they were drafting him to be a 10 carry a game RB, slot WR, kick return (which is honestly stupid because anyone you have that much money invested in you never end up keeping at KR/PR), and possibly most importantly a decoy
if bush had success at any of those areas he will cause the other defense to gameplan for him and the Saints could take advantage of it... the potential of him being a legit threat in all of those areas could cause more problems game planning for him then actually stopping him
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Post by jahallstar on Nov 21, 2007 14:11:44 GMT -5
The saints are not a workhorse type team. He fit the very well last season.
Simple point is that he is not a bust by any stretch.
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Post by Bluedevils on Nov 21, 2007 14:42:19 GMT -5
I don't get how someone in barely hs 2nd season can already be labeled as a bust. Reggie Bush wasn't drafted to be the #1 back. Anyone who knows football can tel you that. Bush brings versatility. The ability to catch, return kicks, block, rush, etc. It's the intangibles that he brings. Now just because New Orleans is losing, he's being crucified. I know about all the other things he brings, but no RB drafted in the first round, let alone top 2, should be a situational back. The fact that he's averaging only 3.6 YPC as an every-down back is a cause for concern. Reggie is an amazing player in open space, but he needs to learn to find the running lanes ahead of him and hit the hole hard instead of just trying running around guys. He's a really talented player, so I hope he'll figure it out eventually.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 21, 2007 14:45:49 GMT -5
I don't get how someone in barely hs 2nd season can already be labeled as a bust. Reggie Bush wasn't drafted to be the #1 back. Anyone who knows football can tel you that. Bush brings versatility. The ability to catch, return kicks, block, rush, etc. It's the intangibles that he brings. Now just because New Orleans is losing, he's being crucified. I know about all the other things he brings, but no RB drafted in the first round, let alone top 2, should be a situational back. The fact that he's averaging only 3.6 YPC as an every-down back is a cause for concern. Reggie is an amazing player in open space, but he needs to learn to find the running lanes ahead of him and hit the hole hard instead of just trying running around guys. He's a really talented player, so I hope he'll figure it out eventually. You just said it.. potentially, he's so much better than AP. It's been 1 and half seasons folks.... let the kid atleast have 3 or 4 seasons underneath his belt before you call him a bust
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Post by cjmjones008 on Nov 21, 2007 16:22:48 GMT -5
not to mention AP has a much better line then Reggie at this point (AP is a better runner... he was in college and he is now but Reggie can do a lot more things better then AP... or is supposed to)
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