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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 17, 2007 22:23:43 GMT -5
Anyone familiar with soccer contracts, how much they make, how contracts work, etc.? (Martinez/Jordan)
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 18, 2007 9:39:25 GMT -5
More or less like baseball...
it's kind of complicated I even sometimes don't get it.
If a player is still under contract for a certain team… the team that he is being bought by has to pay a transfer fee.
Example: Real Madrid is selling Robinho to Manchester United. Robinho is making $8,000,000 per year, and is signed to until 2011 but he has a Transfer Fee of $30,000,000.00. Manchester United will have to pay that transfer fee in order to be able to get Robinho. I’m not sure what percentage of that transfer fee, if any, goes to the agent, the player, and Real Madrid.
Like I said it’s so complicated I don’t even get it, but I’ll try. When a player is a “free-agent” he can be transferred for free or sometimes a player goes out on “Loan” in which one team sends a player more times than not to a crap team so that player can develop and get some playing time. That crap team then sometimes has the option to purchase the player, or that player goes back to their original team.
There really is no such thing as a trade in soccer.
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 18, 2007 12:12:12 GMT -5
Reason I ask. I know a guy who is getting transfered to Chivas USA. He'll be up for a contract extension next year, and wants me to help him. He's currently on the Puerto Rico Islanders, smaller American league. Look him up Martinez, Taiwo Atieno, nice player.
During the year, we'll talk some about this if things get moving, if you're willing.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Oct 18, 2007 12:38:18 GMT -5
i can probably help some... my roommate never played soccer or watched it but fell in love with it during last world cup and knows pretty much everything there is to know about it now
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 18, 2007 13:00:05 GMT -5
Reilly... don't know how helpful this is but here you go...
At what age should a contract be signed by a player to go to the U.K ?
It is generally accepted that a player should not sign a commitment until he
reaches his sixteenth birthday. He cannot however sign a professional contract until he is seventeen. At sixteen he is contracted on Youth Training Scheme or Scholarship basis. It must be stressed that it is the Parents/Legal Guardian and the Boy who make the decisions in relation to trials and contracts. St Joseph’s Boys will only provide information and guidance if requested.
What is a letter of intent in relation to signing contracts?
In order to get over the problem of not being able to sign a player on a professional contract until he is 17, some clubs sign players on a letter of intent at an earlier age. The player in fact contracts that he will sign for the club when he is 17. In practice most other clubs shy away from further contact with players who have already signed a letter of intent with a particular club. Signing a letter of intent at 13 is tying the player to a particular club for a number of years and restricting choice. Before signing such a letter at a very early age players/parents should be very satisfied with all the terms of the proposed contract and that all other available options have been explored. It is important to note that a letter of intent has little or no legal standing and may be withdrawn by either party before contracts are signed.
What kind of contract is being offered?
The types of contract normally offered are a mixture of Youth Training Schemes for the first year which are similar to some F.A.S schemes and one to four year professional contracts. On a Y.T.S scheme the player is paid a small basic wage and is required to do jobs around the club, such as cleaning boots etc. A player cannot sign a professional contract until he is seventeen. A one year Y.T.S and a one year contract would not in our opinion be a commitment to the player from the club, or indeed a two year Y.T.S contract. He may be better off staying at home.
Such a contract will normally set out precisely the players salary and conditions throughout the contract and the player is tied to the club and the contract for the full term.
Initially parents are brought over to visit the club when a contract is being considered. Most times they are wined/dined and see a match from the executive box. While this is very acceptable, parents should recognise it as selling the club to the parents. What is important is the facilities that are available to the player.
UK Academy Clubs now offer Scholarship Contracts which addresses the educational side of higher level that YTS etc. don’t and are worth exploring if the player has a high academic tendency.
What is important in a contract?
Salary/Bonuses – Lump Sums – Accommodation Changes – Visits Home Parents Visits – Education –
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 18, 2007 13:48:06 GMT -5
very cool, thanks a lot for the help.
if this does get in full motion, i'll get in contact with you guys since i'm sure i'll have a number of questions.
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 18, 2007 15:51:16 GMT -5
No prob...
I have no clue how MLS contracts were as they are pretty tight lipped about it... but Soccer players have so many clauses and bonuses it's almost funny. Like this player from Germany can only leave the team if that team is NOT in Germany and can only go to a team in a country in Spain, Britain, or Italy.
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 18, 2007 16:14:39 GMT -5
No prob... I have no clue how MLS contracts were as they are pretty tight lipped about it... but Soccer players have so many clauses and bonuses it's almost funny. Like this player from Germany can only leave the team if that team is NOT in Germany and can only go to a team in a country in Spain, Britain, or Italy. once i see how this guy does, i'm going to call the player's union and ask for contracts of similar players. i'm sure there are many examples of what he should get $/clauses/bonuses.
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Post by Mark on Oct 18, 2007 16:18:18 GMT -5
Reilly, are you representing him to the point where you'll get commision off of this, or is this just helping him out?
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 18, 2007 16:20:35 GMT -5
Reilly, are you representing him to the point where you'll get commision off of this, or is this just helping him out? Commision...his brother is a very good friend of mine (terrific basketball player), and he came up from PR on my birthday. We talked a bit, he brought up repping him when the time comes, and I agreed.
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Post by Dan on Oct 18, 2007 17:22:50 GMT -5
thats pretty sick, i can see you as an agent.
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 18, 2007 19:55:25 GMT -5
No prob... I have no clue how MLS contracts were as they are pretty tight lipped about it... but Soccer players have so many clauses and bonuses it's almost funny. Like this player from Germany can only leave the team if that team is NOT in Germany and can only go to a team in a country in Spain, Britain, or Italy. once i see how this guy does, i'm going to call the player's union and ask for contracts of similar players. i'm sure there are many examples of what he should get $/clauses/bonuses. I think the highest paid player not named-David Beckham in MLS or any other "big time" player that came overseas i.e. Juan Pablo Angel, probably gets something in the range from 50k to 150k but I might be totally off...
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Post by James on Oct 18, 2007 19:59:03 GMT -5
Martinez, salaries would be a lot higher than that. I mean, in our l eague which is only 3 years old, Juninho earns around $1,000,000 USD a year. Other guys are in the range of $300-500,000 so the MLS players would be on a lot more.
Fred who left Melbourne Victory to play for DC United is on something similar to $500,000 USD, plus a car, house etc..
Don't forget about loans. Not sure if you mentioned that. Half our players are on loan because their salaries don't count against our salary cap that we have down here.
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 18, 2007 20:09:31 GMT -5
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 18, 2007 20:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by James on Oct 18, 2007 22:20:45 GMT -5
Freds on 200k, interesting. We are dieing this season without him, gay.
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Post by aaron2344 on Nov 22, 2007 3:21:28 GMT -5
Martinez....my guy is going to sign with Chivas. Few seasons from now, he'll be up for a contract extension. Thought I'd keep you posted.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 17:27:42 GMT -5
I hate MLS.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 22, 2007 22:03:29 GMT -5
Martinez....my guy is going to sign with Chivas. Few seasons from now, he'll be up for a contract extension. Thought I'd keep you posted. Nice.. now's a good time to be an MLS player thanks to guys like Jozy Altidore, Freddy Adu, Danny Szetela, and Giuessepi De Rossi. All four I know people that know them personally from playing with them. Adu now plays in Benfica, my ex-gf's friend also plays there. This same kid also played with Altidore on the Red Bulls. Altidore is being looked at by argueably the best club in the world Real Madrid, Danny Szetela(from Jersey) plays for Racing de Santander in Spain, and Giuessepi De Rossi(also from Jersey and good friends with Szetela) play for Villareal in Spain. The world is taking a good look at the MLS and signing away alot of talent, which is not a bad thing for MLS because it's getting them money from transfers and also publicity.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 22:59:28 GMT -5
How is Blanco fairing in the MLS?
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Post by James on Nov 27, 2007 3:45:32 GMT -5
Talking about football, Sydney FC v LA Galaxy is about to be played on Free To Air TV down here, rad.
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