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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 25, 2007 5:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 25, 2007 6:57:35 GMT -5
complete idiot, and a compete liar.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 25, 2007 11:13:53 GMT -5
he does alot for alot of poor people. The problem is he hasn't accomplished all the promises he made for the country of Venezuela and it's still suffering which is unfortunate.
I think Chavez is a far and beyond better President or dictator if you will, than Mr. Danger.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 25, 2007 11:36:13 GMT -5
It's laughable that you consider Chavez to be a good president... and the problem isn't that he hasn't accomplished the promises he made, it's that he's become an absolute communist:
1) He's passed referendums that will allow him to be president for more terms than their constitution allows.
2) He's incrementally removing free speech from Venezuela... the 2nd largest broadcasting company in Venezuela (the equivalent of NBC in America) was removed simply because they were not favorable towards Chavez. That would be like President Bush removing NBC because their nightly news is more liberal than conservative! Furthermore, he made a law that if any foreign visitor were to speak poorly about him or about his administration they must be deported.
3) Venezuela is becoming more and more corrupt under his presidency. For all the money Venezuela is making on oil, they have only redistributed a fraction of that to improve living conditions, health, etc. throughout Venezuela.
4) After a survey was done that proved that poverty had actually INCREASED under his presidency, he redefined what "poverty" was, so that it would look like he was reducing poverty throughout Venezuela.
5) His economy could be much stronger than it actually is, but due to his politics and stubbornness it hasn't reached its potential and their exports have decreased. 6) Under his presidency, the murder rate has sky rocketed something like 300%, and has the highest number of gun related deaths per capita in the world.
7) Chavez has become close with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Iran, and even went as far as saying that he will stand by Iran at any point and under any condition.
I can go on and on about what a terrible person Hugo Chavez is and what a negative effect he is having on the world. To say he is anything more than a facist is appalling .
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 25, 2007 12:23:20 GMT -5
It's laughable that you consider Chavez to be a good president... and the problem isn't that he hasn't accomplished the promises he made, it's that he's become an absolute communist: 1) He's passed referendums that will allow him to be president for more terms than their constitution allows. 2) He's incrementally removing free speech from Venezuela... the 2nd largest broadcasting company in Venezuela (the equivalent of NBC in America) was removed simply because they were not favorable towards Chavez. That would be like President Bush removing NBC because their nightly news is more liberal than conservative! Furthermore, he made a law that if any foreign visitor were to speak poorly about him or about his administration they must be deported. 3) Venezuela is becoming more and more corrupt under his presidency. For all the money Venezuela is making on oil, they have only redistributed a fraction of that to improve living conditions, health, etc. throughout Venezuela. 4) After a survey was done that proved that poverty had actually INCREASED under his presidency, he redefined what "poverty" was, so that it would look like he was reducing poverty throughout Venezuela. 5) His economy could be much stronger than it actually is, but due to his politics and stubbornness it hasn't reached its potential and their exports have decreased. 6) Under his presidency, the murder rate has sky rocketed something like 300%, and has the highest number of gun related deaths per capita in the world. 7) Chavez has become close with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Iran, and even went as far as saying that he will stand by Iran at any point and under any condition. I can go on and on about what a terrible person Hugo Chavez is and what a negative effect he is having on the world. To say he is anything more than a facist is appalling . I have alot of family that lives in Venezuela and I wouldn't buy to much into the propaganda America is trying to sell. 1)They haven't passed, they have been talked about, but nothing more. 2)He didn't remove any channels. All channels are government-owned now. The same shows are showing on the channels. While yes, it is true that the government does monitor international phone calls, but so does the U.S. Patriot act anyone? 3)Yes, this is one of the problems I agree with. 4)and who ran this survey? 5)I wholeheartedly agree, but due to Bush's stuborness our taxes have gone way way up and our economy is in the shit whole right now. For the first time I believe ever, the Canadian dollar was equal or I think even greater than the US dollar. 6)The murder rate has increased incredibly in the city of Philadelphia what does that say? While murder may have increased, crime as a whole has had a significant decline. 7) So, he has publicly said more than a couple of times that he doesn't agree with the President of Iran's statements that "Israel should no longer exist." It's just like Spain and England aligning themselves with the U.S. they thought it benefited them at the time. Spain quickly realized that was a poor decision. We can go on and on about the negative effect Bush is having on the world, and I can tell you right now, it's effect is much greater than Chavez'. You don't hear about him sending oil to poor cities of America like sections of Philadelphia and Camden.
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Post by Adelaide on Sept 25, 2007 12:56:59 GMT -5
Chris, do you have any type of evidence like from a web page or something for number 6? Crime runs rampant in Venezuela.
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Post by Adelaide on Sept 25, 2007 13:03:34 GMT -5
7. On August 3, 2006 Chávez ordered the Venezuelan chargé d'affaires to Israel to return from Tel Aviv to Venezuela, protesting the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict. Israel responded by recalling its Israeli ambassador to Venezuela. Chávez responded with statements comparing Israel to Hitler and describing their actions as a "new Holocaust", and blamed the United States for their involvement.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 25, 2007 13:04:27 GMT -5
no, I just go based on what my family tells me.
There are still the "ghetto" sections which haven't shown much improvement, but major cities like Caracas are safer then they've ever been, of course in the forests there's still crime just like in Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, etc.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 25, 2007 13:15:18 GMT -5
1)They haven't passed, they have been talked about, but nothing more. You're right, I should have wrote that he is threating to abolish the term limit, regardless it's highly unconstitutional and a clear misuse of power.2)He didn't remove any channels. All channels are government-owned now. The same shows are showing on the channels. While yes, it is true that the government does monitor international phone calls, but so does the U.S. Patriot act anyone? He did remove RCTV. Listening to phone calls is MUCH different than censoring the news.3)Yes, this is one of the problems I agree with. 4)and who ran this survey? Venezuelan National Statistics Institute5)I wholeheartedly agree, but due to Bush's stuborness our taxes have gone way way up and our economy is in the shit whole right now. For the first time I believe ever, the Canadian dollar was equal or I think even greater than the US dollar. I don't think our economy is in the shit hole right now... we have low unemployment and the stock market has been great. With the fairly recent issues with subprime loans, that may have a very negative effect on the economy, however I don't believe that is the governments fault, as much as it is those certain banks and the people taking out the loans to buy houses that they can't afford. Also, having a weak dollar isn't necessarily a bad thing... it depends on what side you're looking from. A weak dollar is great for American exports, but bad for imports. The dollar is fine, as long as you're in the US and not in Europe. 6)The murder rate has increased incredibly in the city of Philadelphia what does that say? While murder may have increased, crime as a whole has had a significant decline. It says that Philadelphia is an isolated case in the U.S. where as Venezuela is a whole country with a rampant problem of crime and fraud.
7) So, he has publicly said more than a couple of times that he doesn't agree with the President of Iran's statements that "Israel should no longer exist." It's just like Spain and England aligning themselves with the U.S. they thought it benefited them at the time. Spain quickly realized that was a poor decision. "If the U.S. empire succeeds in consolidating its dominance, then the humankind has no future. Therefore, we have to save the humankind and put an end to the U.S. empire" - ChavezWe can go on and on about the negative effect Bush is having on the world, and I can tell you right now, it's effect is much greater than Chavez'. You don't hear about him sending oil to poor cities of America like sections of Philadelphia and Camden. Well I guess unfortunately the Mayflower came to America, which isn't blessed with inordinate amounts of oil to disperse throughout the country.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 25, 2007 13:15:58 GMT -5
no, I just go based on what my family tells me. There are still the "ghetto" sections which haven't shown much improvement, but major cities like Caracas are safer then they've ever been, of course in the forests there's still crime just like in Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, etc. Caracas is the most dangerous city in all of Latin America!!
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Post by Dan on Sept 25, 2007 13:16:55 GMT -5
hes talking about phili, where do you hear of its murder cases rising?
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 25, 2007 15:46:00 GMT -5
1)They haven't passed, they have been talked about, but nothing more. You're right, I should have wrote that he is threating to abolish the term limit, regardless it's highly unconstitutional and a clear misuse of power.2)He didn't remove any channels. All channels are government-owned now. The same shows are showing on the channels. While yes, it is true that the government does monitor international phone calls, but so does the U.S. Patriot act anyone? He did remove RCTV. Listening to phone calls is MUCH different than censoring the news.3)Yes, this is one of the problems I agree with. 4)and who ran this survey? Venezuelan National Statistics Institute5)I wholeheartedly agree, but due to Bush's stuborness our taxes have gone way way up and our economy is in the shit whole right now. For the first time I believe ever, the Canadian dollar was equal or I think even greater than the US dollar. I don't think our economy is in the shit hole right now... we have low unemployment and the stock market has been great. With the fairly recent issues with subprime loans, that may have a very negative effect on the economy, however I don't believe that is the governments fault, as much as it is those certain banks and the people taking out the loans to buy houses that they can't afford. Also, having a weak dollar isn't necessarily a bad thing... it depends on what side you're looking from. A weak dollar is great for American exports, but bad for imports. The dollar is fine, as long as you're in the US and not in Europe. 6)The murder rate has increased incredibly in the city of Philadelphia what does that say? While murder may have increased, crime as a whole has had a significant decline. It says that Philadelphia is an isolated case in the U.S. where as Venezuela is a whole country with a rampant problem of crime and fraud.
7) So, he has publicly said more than a couple of times that he doesn't agree with the President of Iran's statements that "Israel should no longer exist." It's just like Spain and England aligning themselves with the U.S. they thought it benefited them at the time. Spain quickly realized that was a poor decision. "If the U.S. empire succeeds in consolidating its dominance, then the humankind has no future. Therefore, we have to save the humankind and put an end to the U.S. empire" - ChavezWe can go on and on about the negative effect Bush is having on the world, and I can tell you right now, it's effect is much greater than Chavez'. You don't hear about him sending oil to poor cities of America like sections of Philadelphia and Camden. Well I guess unfortunately the Mayflower came to America, which isn't blessed with inordinate amounts of oil to disperse throughout the country. Ok, the same people who ran a survey about how the unemployment rates have gone down substantially since taking office in 1999? Or the same survey that shows that Venezuela's GDP has risen by 10.2% since 2006? How can you say America's economy isn't bad right now? Sure if you're a millionaire in high class society, you don't have much to worry about. For middle class America, unemployment rates have gone up, the dollar has gone down, and that is NEVER good. People not working is NOT GOOD for the country. I'm not saying oh my God it's panic time, but believe me, as a Business major, I'm cautious with the state of our economy right now. By U.S. Empire, he means Bush's "regime." Chavez was in very good terms with President Clinton. Chavez has done a lot for the country of the United States. Some would say more than the country of Venezuela.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 25, 2007 15:56:16 GMT -5
Stock Market = All Time High
Unemployments have not gone up, if they have maybe its by a couple thousand people, but not enough to change the % unemployment rate...
1991 6.8 1992 7.5 1993 6.9 1994 6.1 1995 5.6 1996 5.4 1997 4.9 1998 4.5 1999 4.2 2000 4.0 2001 4.7 2002 5.8 2003 6.0 2004 5.5 2005 5.1 2006 4.6 2007 (as of August) 4.6
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 25, 2007 15:58:41 GMT -5
And Chavez's unemployment statistics aren't always what they seem. He counts illegitimate jobs, as people being employed, such as street vendors, and people who are studying as not part of the unemployment field. So the numbers that he projects are NOT what they seem.
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Post by aaron2344 on Sept 25, 2007 16:23:04 GMT -5
i'm in my library, and only got to see the captions of the video, but everything chavez said sounded like an ignorant fifth grader getting in a fight on the playground. like or hate chavez, that guy just showed what a complete idiot he is by name calling, stomping his hands, and making idiotic statements. at least come with more substance.
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Post by Lumley316 on Sept 25, 2007 23:39:29 GMT -5
Stock Market = All Time High Unemployments have not gone up, if they have maybe its by a couple thousand people, but not enough to change the % unemployment rate... 1991 6.8 1992 7.5 1993 6.9 1994 6.1 1995 5.6 1996 5.4 1997 4.9 1998 4.5 1999 4.2 2000 4.0 2001 4.7 2002 5.8 2003 6.0 2004 5.5 2005 5.1 2006 4.6 2007 (as of August) 4.6 Next few years the rate will go down since alot of people will have to come out of retirement to help pay for there morgages.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 26, 2007 8:29:16 GMT -5
And Chavez's unemployment statistics aren't always what they seem. He counts illegitimate jobs, as people being employed, such as street vendors, and people who are studying as not part of the unemployment field. So the numbers that he projects are NOT what they seem. I'm just bullshitting, lol, with the whole Chavez thing anyways. When we call our family in Venezuela they really can't talk bad about Chavez. All their phone calls are monitored. The guy is a moron, I'll admit, but I just think he's hillarious. He changed the clock half an hour recently because it would "improve production." Right because an extra half hour of sun really makes the economy boom! He now has full control of every single school in Venezuela, and is introducing his very own curriculum to each and every school.
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