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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 22, 2007 0:49:14 GMT -5
I agree with Bloomberg. While I'm Independent, I never was to fond of Republicans but he is definitely a great candidate. On top of everything you said, he also plans on making all taxis hybrid in 5 years.
As for Giuliani, the only thing he will bring to the Presidency is stubborness. He did nothing for the city of New York, to the best of my knowledge.
Clinton is the worst... she flip-flops on so many issues it's nauseating.
I think Obama is truly the best candidate this year, at the moment anyways. The unfortunate thing is I can not see this country voting in a black president before a woman.
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 22, 2007 0:59:18 GMT -5
Whichever Democrat wins nomination will win the presidency. There's just such an overwhelming probability of this. It's Hillary's to lose, and I think between Democratic voters, it's not a matter of the black man or the woman. It's the more appealing candidate, as far direction of the country. Thereafter, it may not be to the nominated candidate that he/she is not a white man, but really, good luck to Fred Thompson or Rudy Giuliani. I don't think either stands a chance.
That much said, I hate how much coverage the election has been getting. This is partly what turns it into a money contest, because you have to be hot early and stay hot for a long time. This is when buzz should be picking up--a solid amount of time before primaries, but not a year. There's nothing to be gained by having this many debates as early as they were this year. So much will change that for a lot of people it's a matter of being attracted to the most articulate candidate.
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 22, 2007 1:08:31 GMT -5
I back Hillary, by the way. I'm a big Obama fan, but he has no record of creating legitimate policy, and he's put forth some pretty divisive ideas in Congress that seem completely whorish and only serve the purpose fire-starting. I don't think anything is more important that "socializing" health care. Our current system favors greedy companies. Quite frankly, the right to medical care should be up there with rights of religious freedom. This is something England dealth with in the Victorian era, yet we struggle with providing for the poor in the 21st century. It's embarrassing, and they're should be a national plan in place. People talk of raising taxes, and that's a joke. The price on medicine would drop so much that it's a pretty fair tradeoff.
Obama has a solid vision and I'd love to see him one day become president. That said, I'd prefer Hillary Clinton to run the country right now. She has so much history with NGO's, health care reform and international affairs that I feel she's downright prepared. I don't care how she voted in 2002. I'd love to see us leave Iraq tomorrow, but that will never happen under any president, and she's got a pretty practical idea for leaving.
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Post by gmgreggor on Sept 22, 2007 12:01:39 GMT -5
Dont like any of them particularly. However, a few thoughts on them.
This I dont like on Bloomberg. Quote"In addition to environment, he has banned all transfats in NYC restaurants, and has banned smoking in all commercial establishments."
I dont smoke ,never have. But if a restaurant wants to allow smoking thats their business isnt it? If you dont like it go to another eatery. Also on the trans fat thing. Let people live their own lives, we need smaller govt not larger govt telling us what we can eat etc. Whats next? Banning differing views than his own? That thinking stinks number one and is getting too close to a police state for me.
Hate the Clintons. Hillary would be last person I vote for. Other than being first lady what has she done? And I am very against national healthcare. Once again,we need smaller govt not bigger. You cant keep giving away rights. And with national healthcare you are make no mistake.
Obama, who the hell knows what he believes? He talks in circles and his legislative record is basically nothing.
McCain basically caters to the press. He's crawfished on so may issues who knows what the hell he really believes on policy.
If personal matters were irrelevent when it came to the Clintons why do they matter with Rudy? Having said that not crazy about him either. His record on gun laws I dont like at all. I do think however he would be strong against terrorists.
Actually kinda like Romney a little. His religion is irrelevant to me.
Like what I've heard of Thompson's views in interviews. Like to hear more though before I throw down with him.
I relate more with the conservative ideology than not except on abortion probably. Smaller govt, stronger on defense, lower taxes, right to possess arms, having said all that though. Thats the conservative ideal, we havent had a true conservative in awhile. Bush sure as hell isnt with possible exceptions of taxes and maybe defense. But if Bush was worried that much about defense he wouldnt allow our borders to remain wide open either. Not a big fan of W.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 22, 2007 12:55:25 GMT -5
Dont like any of them particularly. However, a few thoughts on them. This I dont like on Bloomberg. Quote"In addition to environment, he has banned all transfats in NYC restaurants, and has banned smoking in all commercial establishments." I dont smoke ,never have. But if a restaurant wants to allow smoking thats their business isnt it? If you dont like it go to another eatery. Also on the trans fat thing. Let people live their own lives, we need smaller govt not larger govt telling us what we can eat etc. Whats next? Banning differing views than his own? That thinking stinks number one and is getting too close to a police state for me. I used to be a smoker... been smoke-free for a few months now, and even when I used to smoke I loved this ban. Having a "designated" area for smokers really doesn't separate anything. 9 times out of 10, the smoking area was right next to the regular area and the only difference is that it had more fans. Seriously, what does it take to step outside for a few minutes for a smoke? To me, I always enjoyed going outside for a smoke, regardless if you could smoke inside or not as to me it was much more relaxing. Not just that, I always found it rude that you'd be eating and someone would be lighting up a cigarette. If I wanted to light one up while people were still eating I'd either leave and move away from them or ask if it was ok if I smoked. I find it ridiculous I'm trying to enjoy a 24oz steak and I got some asshole blowing smoke in my face. Plus many restaurants have outside sitting areas now where you can sit if you like and smoke. Places like Applebees around here have it too.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 22, 2007 15:00:08 GMT -5
This I dont like on Bloomberg. Quote"In addition to environment, he has banned all transfats in NYC restaurants, and has banned smoking in all commercial establishments." I dont smoke ,never have. But if a restaurant wants to allow smoking thats their business isnt it? If you dont like it go to another eatery. Also on the trans fat thing. Let people live their own lives, we need smaller govt not larger govt telling us what we can eat etc. Whats next? Banning differing views than his own? That thinking stinks number one and is getting too close to a police state for me. Why ban these things? Because they're effecting lives. This country is so god damn fat and obese its disgusting. Banning trans fats in restaurants is a step in the right direction. Should people be allowed to choose what they eat, sure... but the average person who eats a burger at McDonalds doesn't know what they're actually doing to themselves.
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Post by gmgreggor on Sept 22, 2007 15:38:40 GMT -5
This I dont like on Bloomberg. Quote"In addition to environment, he has banned all transfats in NYC restaurants, and has banned smoking in all commercial establishments." I dont smoke ,never have. But if a restaurant wants to allow smoking thats their business isnt it? If you dont like it go to another eatery. Also on the trans fat thing. Let people live their own lives, we need smaller govt not larger govt telling us what we can eat etc. Whats next? Banning differing views than his own? That thinking stinks number one and is getting too close to a police state for me. Why ban these things? Because they're effecting lives. This country is so god damn fat and obese its disgusting. Banning trans fats in restaurants is a step in the right direction. Should people be allowed to choose what they eat, sure... but the average person who eats a burger at McDonalds doesn't know what they're actually doing to themselves. Why the need to ban them? Do the restaurants owners not have any rights? Should'nt it be up to that restaurant to decide? If you dont like that restaurants policies do you not have the ability to go to another restaurant that is more in line with your needs? And I think most people know exactly what they are doing to themselves. They just choose to do it anyway. Maybe they should outlaw sim lgs since it cuts into school work,family time etc, too no? And TV,certain books if it is considered bad for you and on and on it goes. Can you not see the danger here?
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Post by duce on Sept 22, 2007 15:40:44 GMT -5
damn i never realized how much we're living on edge.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 22, 2007 16:13:14 GMT -5
Why ban these things? Because they're effecting lives. This country is so god damn fat and obese its disgusting. Banning trans fats in restaurants is a step in the right direction. Should people be allowed to choose what they eat, sure... but the average person who eats a burger at McDonalds doesn't know what they're actually doing to themselves. Why the need to ban them? Do the restaurants owners not have any rights? Should'nt it be up to that restaurant to decide? If you dont like that restaurants policies do you not have the ability to go to another restaurant that is more in line with your needs? And I think most people know exactly what they are doing to themselves. They just choose to do it anyway. Maybe they should outlaw sim lgs since it cuts into school work,family time etc, too no? And TV,certain books if it is considered bad for you and on and on it goes. Can you not see the danger here? Let's make heroin and cocaine legal. Why ban such things, people know what they're getting themselves into, it's their choice!
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Post by gmgreggor on Sept 22, 2007 16:27:28 GMT -5
Why the need to ban them? Do the restaurants owners not have any rights? Should'nt it be up to that restaurant to decide? If you dont like that restaurants policies do you not have the ability to go to another restaurant that is more in line with your needs? And I think most people know exactly what they are doing to themselves. They just choose to do it anyway. Maybe they should outlaw sim lgs since it cuts into school work,family time etc, too no? And TV,certain books if it is considered bad for you and on and on it goes. Can you not see the danger here? Let's make heroin and cocaine legal. Why ban such things, people know what they're getting themselves into, it's their choice! Well, other than that being a very off topic analogy I agree. If they're adults it's their life. Tax the hell out of dope just like they do cigarettes instead of raising taxes on us. Not a problem with that at all.
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 22, 2007 16:55:20 GMT -5
So if the government can do something to improve the health of millions (reduce second hand smoke, discourage smoking cigerettes, banning illegal narcotics, cutting down on transfats, reducing gas emissions in cars), they shouldn't do so for the sole reason that we have the freedom to choose what we do and realize the effects it has on others?
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Post by gmgreggor on Sept 22, 2007 17:14:06 GMT -5
So if the government can do something to improve the health of millions (reduce second hand smoke, discourage smoking cigerettes, banning illegal narcotics, cutting down on transfats, reducing gas emissions in cars), they shouldn't do so for the sole reason that we have the freedom to choose what we do and realize the effects it has on others? The problem is where does it stop? I hate the smell of smoke as much as anyone. Not much worse than kissing a chick that smokes. However, as I said the restaurants should have option of making it smoking or not. I do agree there should be smoking and nonsmoking sections. However beyond that I think it's up to the establishments. But smoking does affect other people so I can understand the regulations. The transfat thing tho is absurd. Now the govt is gonna tell restaurants what they can and cant serve? That is so out of the govt's authority it's ridiculous. After that where does it stop? Freedom and free enterprise is called that for a reason. Start letting the govt dictate what restaurants serve to that extent and what we eat and it stops where? What we read? What we watch? What religion we follow? Can you not see that? Is it really your business what your neighbor is eating? Smoking in their house? Watching on their TV,etc?
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 22, 2007 18:13:12 GMT -5
The whole issue on trans fats isn't just a NYC or USA issue, it's going on all throughout the country and throughout the world. Restaurants and fast food companies use them because they're cheaper and because they last longer... they can easily be replaced with more healthy substitutes.
I know for a fact that when I was 10 years old and going to McDonalds I had no idea what was in my food and I'm fairly certain the majority of others don't either. I just don't understand the argument of saying its absurd that the government is placing restrictions on what they can or cannot use. These fats are killing tons of people and are contributing to the deterioration of the average citizens health.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 22, 2007 18:42:59 GMT -5
greg I'm sorry but you're taking this issue way overboard. Not even Michael Moore is this serious.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 22, 2007 19:28:15 GMT -5
Im glad we have sim basketball so we dont have to think about these things all the time.
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Post by gmgreggor on Sept 22, 2007 19:47:51 GMT -5
greg I'm sorry but you're taking this issue way overboard. Not even Michael Moore is this serious. How so?
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Post by Rommie on Sept 23, 2007 23:09:09 GMT -5
I agree with Greg about restaurants should have the right of allowing smoking or not. But these issues I really don't care about because they are not important to me. I am believe that aborition should be legal, but i'm not going to vote or not for someone just because we have similar views on these types of minor issues. No one gives a rats ass about our health.
I am far more concerned with the war and global warming. Everyone talks about all these other issues but I have not heard much about global warming. I guess I take it very serious. Stuff needs to be done now to fight global warming.
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Post by Adelaide on Sept 23, 2007 23:26:27 GMT -5
I agree with Greg about restaurants should have the right of allowing smoking or not. But these issues I really don't care about because they are not important to me. I am believe that aborition should be legal, but i'm not going to vote or not for someone just because we have similar views on these types of minor issues. No one gives a rats ass about our health. I am far more concerned with the war and global warming. Everyone talks about all these other issues but I have not heard much about global warming. I guess I take it very serious. Stuff needs to be done now to fight global warming. I think it's pretty ignorant to talk about social issues and say they are "minor issues." When an issue divides our nation I don't think it should be taken lightly.
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Post by ducky on Sept 24, 2007 17:31:09 GMT -5
Ron Paul
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Post by ducky on Sept 24, 2007 19:11:28 GMT -5
Anyway, I was just throwing that name out there. I'm not sure why I'm voting for, but Fred Thompson seems like the #1 guy in my eyes.
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Post by gmgreggor on Sept 24, 2007 19:59:42 GMT -5
I agree with Greg about restaurants should have the right of allowing smoking or not. But these issues I really don't care about because they are not important to me. I am believe that aborition should be legal, but i'm not going to vote or not for someone just because we have similar views on these types of minor issues. No one gives a rats ass about our health. I am far more concerned with the war and global warming. Everyone talks about all these other issues but I have not heard much about global warming. I guess I take it very serious. Stuff needs to be done now to fight global warming. Well, lets make sure global warming is occuring AND we can do something about it if need be before we start making kneejerk reactions and maybe make the environment worse. Like the Kyoto treaty for example, very bad legislation. Politicians are so out of control now, they always have been I guess but lets make sure that they dont just start taxing us for it when there may not be such a thing. The war tho, man I dunno about that. It's a mess.
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Post by Adelaide on Sept 24, 2007 20:25:19 GMT -5
I agree with Greg about restaurants should have the right of allowing smoking or not. But these issues I really don't care about because they are not important to me. I am believe that aborition should be legal, but i'm not going to vote or not for someone just because we have similar views on these types of minor issues. No one gives a rats ass about our health. I am far more concerned with the war and global warming. Everyone talks about all these other issues but I have not heard much about global warming. I guess I take it very serious. Stuff needs to be done now to fight global warming. Well, lets make sure global warming is occuring AND we can do something about it if need be before we start making kneejerk reactions and maybe make the environment worse. Like the Kyoto treaty for example, very bad legislation. Politicians are so out of control now, they always have been I guess but lets make sure that they dont just start taxing us for it when there may not be such a thing. The war tho, man I dunno about that. It's a mess. You make a great point Greg, people always talk about Global Warming as of now but no one rarely ever brings up the early 20th century when there were no emissions regulations and factories boomed more then ever.
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Post by Dan on Sept 24, 2007 20:33:24 GMT -5
fuck fred thompson
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Post by Rommie on Sept 24, 2007 20:59:38 GMT -5
I agree with Greg about restaurants should have the right of allowing smoking or not. But these issues I really don't care about because they are not important to me. I am believe that aborition should be legal, but i'm not going to vote or not for someone just because we have similar views on these types of minor issues. No one gives a rats ass about our health. I am far more concerned with the war and global warming. Everyone talks about all these other issues but I have not heard much about global warming. I guess I take it very serious. Stuff needs to be done now to fight global warming. I think it's pretty ignorant to talk about social issues and say they are "minor issues." When an issue divides our nation I don't think it should be taken lightly. My whole point is that they are not at the top of my concerns. Like I said sure if feel that aborition should be legal however if there is a canidate who disagrees with me but is someone who I think can keep the country safe, improve our education, improve our economy, do something about global warming, and take care of these types of issues then i'm not going to worry to much if they are going to keep aboritions legal or not. I'm not saying these "social issues" aren't important but do you honestly think that they are more important then the things I listed above? I really don't think that making smoking illegal in restaurants is dividing the nation either. But hey JMO.
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Post by Adelaide on Sept 24, 2007 21:23:00 GMT -5
I think it's pretty ignorant to talk about social issues and say they are "minor issues." When an issue divides our nation I don't think it should be taken lightly. My whole point is that they are not at the top of my concerns. Like I said sure if feel that aborition should be legal however if there is a canidate who disagrees with me but is someone who I think can keep the country safe, improve our education, improve our economy, do something about global warming, and take care of these types of issues then i'm not going to worry to much if they are going to keep aboritions legal or not. I'm not saying these "social issues" aren't important but do you honestly think that they are more important then the things I listed above? I really don't think that making smoking illegal in restaurants is dividing the nation either. But hey JMO. Come down to Mississippi and tell these guys not to smoke in a restaurant.
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