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Post by KruPaxson on Jul 31, 2007 19:19:30 GMT -5
Boston receives a superstar in KG to put him around a supporting cast that none of the three(Allen, KG, or Pierce) has ever had.
Minnesota surround their young team with more youth. They have a very young squad and should fall lotto again this season as well as gaining two more boston first round picks for the future.
So who do you like the deal better for?
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Post by Spencer on Jul 31, 2007 19:26:11 GMT -5
I like it more for the rebuilding TWolves. Just love the amount of young talent they get.
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Post by GP on Jul 31, 2007 19:27:16 GMT -5
Minny. They get better in the long term espicially if Green develops and if one of those picks becomes good. Its not bad for the Celtics, because after their deal for Allen they are forced to win for the next 3-4 years.
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Post by nova on Jul 31, 2007 19:27:49 GMT -5
Both.
The East is awful, and this definitely makes the Celts the favorites.
However, Boston gave up some great talent. Jefferson will be a Brand-type player, and while Green has great upside, the real steal of the deal was Ryan Gomes, who looks like he could be a very good player. Two 1sts definitely help Minny as well.
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Post by Adelaide on Jul 31, 2007 19:29:38 GMT -5
No one has mentioned injuries yet. If one of these 3 go down the C's are fucked.
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Post by duce on Jul 31, 2007 19:51:27 GMT -5
i'm pretty high on the players boston traded away, i don't like it for em. they have a great thing going but they gave up too much.
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Post by KG on Jul 31, 2007 19:53:47 GMT -5
I guess the youth are an unknown entity, but everyone is assuming they'll be great.
I do like the players the Wolves picked up, and I'm glad KG will have a chance to compete. Meh, I like the fact that I can support two teams now.
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Post by kjkeelty on Jul 31, 2007 19:57:55 GMT -5
Jefferson is the real deal, he's already proven it.
Green's the X factor in the deal. By all accounts, he stunk it up in the Summer league, so locally a lot of people were down on him. His development will probably determine who won out on this deal.
Gomes is a solid guy, but a role player.
Telfair? Meh, didn't impress anyone here last year....but he's still quite young, so you never know I guess.
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Post by James on Jul 31, 2007 20:08:59 GMT -5
Like it for both. T-Wolves get a nice amount of youth, Celts add a 3rd all-star.
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Post by Rommie on Jul 31, 2007 20:10:28 GMT -5
Right now I like it for both.
Long term who knows though.
Can Al Jefferson continue to improve and be a dominate big man? I think he will, 25 and 10 type of player.
Gerald Green is a bit of an X factor, I think he already if a solid scorer and will get better. I think he will be an 18-20 point scorer here before to long. He had a good season last year. If he can do that, and if either/both of the picks amount to anything it's a great deal for Minnesota.
The Celtics have to make the Finals, and win to be honest. They should be able to do that. Doc Rivers might not be the right coach though but they defiantly have the talent. One thing I will say about Doc is Ainge hasn't given him shit to work with that can help a team win now and this will be the first time in Doc's career as a head coach where I think he will be facing high expectations. He's never had this much talent to work with.
If the talent for the Timberwolves continues to improve and reach their potential and if the Celtics make the Finals or especially if they win it then it's a fine deal for both squads long term.
Even deal short term, but long term is the unknown.
One other thing about Boston is they had to get a deal done for Kevin Garnett. On draft day, it was either trade Paul Pierce or get him help and they chose to get him help in Ray Allen. Ainge needed to follow through with that and get another big time player and boy did he ever get one.
Me, I would have probably sent Pierce packing a while ago and went with the youth. But it's hard to argue with having Pierce, Allen, and Garnett on your team. I just can't stop thinking to myself oh so easily should they have Brandon Roy right now.
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Post by duce on Jul 31, 2007 20:14:21 GMT -5
imo green is 22-7 at worst. he's not like other guys considered to be projects. he can score from everywhere potentially and he's talented enough that he won't be contained easily.
of course i would definitely say he's a shitty defender and really seems to lack iq in a big way.
i don't know, i mean it's all possible that they gave up a question mark but if i'm the twolves i'm pretty excited to get him because he can be sick and at worse he'll be a scorer.
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Post by aaron2344 on Jul 31, 2007 21:05:26 GMT -5
Both. The East is awful, and this definitely makes the Celts the favorites. You're insane if you think the Celts are the team to beat in the East. They haven't played a game yet and you're declaring them the team to beat, already? The East is bad, but there's a number of teams who are better due experience and the depth, something Boston has none of.
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Post by ducky on Jul 31, 2007 23:52:06 GMT -5
I didn't like Celtics trading for Ray Allen (Although I hate Jeff Green), it wasn't the right move for the team. However now with the KG trade that trade doesn't seem so bad... I still don't like this for celtics, cuz they will be a good team for 2-3 years and then they will be worse than they were now.
So just cuz Celtics made the Ray Allen trade look good, I'd say it's even for both.
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Post by Lumley316 on Aug 1, 2007 3:12:30 GMT -5
Both bcoz they both got what they wanted
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Post by duce on Aug 1, 2007 7:03:45 GMT -5
i liked the ray allen deal better than the kevin garnett deal, which is funny because everyone seems on the opposite side of that.
but think about who they gave up for allen... delonte west - nice but a bench player on a great team, yi - don't know really?, wally z - who cares??? lol.
to me that is nothing. they could have very well given up 3 bench players for ray allen and everyone complained like it was the worst move ever. ray allen is well worth that deal.
they gave up - to me - 1 sure-thing star and 1 potential star, as well as two bench players and two first round picks for kevin garnett. for the life of me, i can't figure out why you'd give up both chips and both picks. for the sake of argument, i'll say the human players matter more. kevin garnett is a top tier talent in the NBA, yes, but jefferson and green are about 20 years younger combined and IMO will both be stars for sure having seen them play. people question green but all i ever see out of him is that he has the obvious talent to score from anywhere on the court. i would be fully surprised if he never had a 25 ppg season. the other parts of his game need work terribly, but he's for real. giving up both prospects was a mistake and i don't believe the ray allen deal justifies doing it. they could have had pierce, ray AND their two prospects. they had the best of both worlds and i was really feeling that. it's impossible not to love the fact that i'll see garnett play on FSN all the time now but minnesota made out like bandits here.
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Post by Vernon on Aug 1, 2007 8:39:15 GMT -5
I like this deal for Minny but i understand why the Celtics had to do this with the age of both Pierce and Allen.
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