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Post by Spencer on Jul 30, 2007 14:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by duce on Jul 30, 2007 14:44:26 GMT -5
yeah... he pretty much is responsible for almost all offensive football today.
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Post by nova on Jul 30, 2007 14:45:23 GMT -5
Sad news...
R.I.P.
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Post by Vernon on Jul 30, 2007 16:18:56 GMT -5
RIP.
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Post by ducky on Jul 30, 2007 17:12:43 GMT -5
RIP
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Post by gmgreggor on Jul 30, 2007 18:26:53 GMT -5
yeah... he pretty much is responsible for almost all offensive football today. Lets not get carried away here now. He was a great coach and an astute judge of talent but he didnt invent offensive football. I believe, hope I'm not mistaken here,but he was a disciple of Paul Brown and Sid Gillman who was really the architect of what they now call the west coast offense. He was an assistant under Brown and Gillman I believe. Took their ideology and just tweaked it a little bit with a mobile QB in Montana.
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Post by Rommie on Jul 30, 2007 21:49:38 GMT -5
A legend. Good guy. RIP.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Jul 30, 2007 22:03:54 GMT -5
Thank You for Mike Holmgren... well while he was in GB
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Post by Spencer on Jul 30, 2007 22:06:29 GMT -5
yeah... he pretty much is responsible for almost all offensive football today. Lets not get carried away here now. He was a great coach and an astute judge of talent but he didnt invent offensive football. I believe, hope I'm not mistaken here,but he was a disciple of Paul Brown and Sid Gillman who was really the architect of what they now call the west coast offense. He was an assistant under Brown and Gillman I believe. Took their ideology and just tweaked it a little bit with a mobile QB in Montana. While he did get some of his ideas from these men, it was Walsh that made it mainstream. I mean Brown and Gillman were coaches in the 60's and early 70s. Walshs offense dominated the 80s and early 90s. If the ideas were solely based on Gillman and Brown Im quite sure someone wouldve done it before Walsh.
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Post by gmgreggor on Jul 30, 2007 23:39:33 GMT -5
Lets not get carried away here now. He was a great coach and an astute judge of talent but he didnt invent offensive football. I believe, hope I'm not mistaken here,but he was a disciple of Paul Brown and Sid Gillman who was really the architect of what they now call the west coast offense. He was an assistant under Brown and Gillman I believe. Took their ideology and just tweaked it a little bit with a mobile QB in Montana. While he did get some of his ideas from these men, it was Walsh that made it mainstream. I mean Brown and Gillman were coaches in the 60's and early 70s. Walshs offense dominated the 80s and early 90s. If the ideas were solely based on Gillman and Brown Im quite sure someone wouldve done it before Walsh. I'm certainly not demeaning Walsh Spencer. He was a great coach and a great talent evaluator. The Bengals of the early to mid 70's with Brown as coach and Ken Anderson at QB,the Cardinals of the Coryell era in mid 70's and the Chargers of the late 70's and early 80's again with Don Coryell coaching and Fouts were all running that offense quite well. But the 49ers had Montana, who was a perfect match for it. Not great arm strength but great accuracy and his mobility took it to another level. As did his clutch playmaking nature. I think Walsh was really as good a talent evaluator than a coach possibly. As far as being able to see what he wanted in players and finding athletes to fit that concept. Their defense was always very underated as well. If the Cardinals of the 70's had the 49ers defenses we might be referring to it as the midwest offense since they would have probably won a SB or 2. I'm not undermining Walsh as much as saying dont make him the godfather of offense. He was a great coach but there were great offenses before Bill came along, thats all.
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Post by cjmjones008 on Jul 30, 2007 23:47:09 GMT -5
i think the original post meant that most if not all offenses have west coast origins so thats why he is responsible for all offense today
he isnt responsible for all of it but he is responsible for most of its foundation
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Post by duce on Jul 31, 2007 0:07:07 GMT -5
well yeah, that plus the fact that people will copy what works. if nobody took that offense to an elite status then we might be seeing something else right now. that's all really. i didn't mean anything literally, just respecting the guy... maybe i should stick to my "nice." thing.
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Post by gmgreggor on Jul 31, 2007 0:22:07 GMT -5
i think the original post meant that most if not all offenses have west coast origins so thats why he is responsible for all offense today he isnt responsible for all of it but he is responsible for most of its foundation I dont want to get in an argument about it but thats just not true CJ. There's been a handful of offenses, mainly the former asst of Walsh at SF that run it, but there's probably more offenses that arent based on it at all. Holmgren won with a version of it,as did Shanahan in Denver, but there's been many former assistants that tried to run it that havent. Like anything else in sports really, it comes down to talent. I dont think GB and Denver won because of the West coast offense, I think they won because they had a good team and guys named Elway and Farve. Same with SF. As great as Waslh was if Rex Grossman was the QB of SF during that stretch I highly doubt they would have won 4 SB's. Lets not give too much credit to Walsh,or any coach is my point when the players have a whole lot to do with it.
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