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Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2007 18:01:18 GMT -5
Im gonna make Calderon at C B- B C D B.
Any other Fa possibilities?
GP can you give me some ratings for Singleton?
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 18:04:42 GMT -5
Singleton...lol umm C+ C C- C+ C+ B
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 18:05:16 GMT -5
Born: Jul 20, 1981 Height: 6-8 Weight: 230 lbs
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Post by Spencer on Apr 27, 2007 18:08:30 GMT -5
Thanks.
Anyone else?
Garbojosa? Or wait a bit for him?
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 18:41:22 GMT -5
Underrating Calderon... too bad.
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 18:59:07 GMT -5
I think he overated him. Your going by this years stats. Potential should be kind of high but nto actuall ratings. Last years stats are the ones I posted. B- outside for a 16% 3pt shooter?
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 19:03:23 GMT -5
Why would last years stats be more relevant than this years stats?
Last season was Calderon's first in the NBA. New team, new country, different game. Calderon played great for Spain in the World Championships this past summer and continued that great play this season in the NBA. Have you even seen him play?
Calderon is better than the likes of Ridnour, Telfair and Nelson. He's also the only one of the 4 mentioned here that has shown the ability to make substantial improvements, hence potential to improve.
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 19:42:10 GMT -5
Because "last year" is our "next year" am I wrong?
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Post by ducky on Apr 27, 2007 20:14:22 GMT -5
Calderon should have B+ handles 5.1apg 1.4topg in 21mpg... that's a 9-2 type player.
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 20:18:06 GMT -5
Because "last year" is our "next year" am I wrong? huh? Im pretty sure Spencer doesn't make ratings based on the actual year prior to the BBS year. It's based on what the player is doing now/for his career.
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 20:18:56 GMT -5
Calderon should have B+ handles 5.1apg 1.4topg in 21mpg... that's a 9-2 type player. Yes.
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 20:20:14 GMT -5
For goodness sakes stop looking at the 06-07 stats. We are not going into the 06-07 season. Look at the 05-06 stats. 4.5 Assists and 1.58 TO's in 23.2 mins. If you average that out to starter minutes (38 mpg) You get 7.37 assists and 2.58 TO's.
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 20:21:13 GMT -5
For goodness sakes stop looking at the 06-07 stats. We are not going into the 06-07 season. Look at the 05-06 stats. 4.5 Assists and 1.58 TO's in 23.2 mins. If you average that out to starter minutes (38 mpg) You get 7.37 assists and 2.58 TO's. It isnt based solely on the actual year prior to the BBS year and it never has been.
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 20:21:58 GMT -5
Because "last year" is our "next year" am I wrong? huh? Im pretty sure Spencer doesn't make ratings based on the actual year prior to the BBS year. It's based on what the player is doing now/for his career. Thats what potential is for. lol. Did you see Kobe's, Dirks, Pierce's....etc... ratings when they entered the league?
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 20:22:32 GMT -5
For goodness sakes stop looking at the 06-07 stats. We are not going into the 06-07 season. Look at the 05-06 stats. 4.5 Assists and 1.58 TO's in 23.2 mins. If you average that out to starter minutes (38 mpg) You get 7.37 assists and 2.58 TO's. It isnt based solely on the actual year prior to the BBS year and it never has been. Read my post above...I can give you at least 75 more examples if you want. By what your saying we should give a player his ratings based on his best season as a pro and then still give him A potential...
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Post by duce on Apr 27, 2007 20:22:33 GMT -5
well dj, wouldn't raja bell be scoring 15 ppg then?
i'm pretty impartial here. i kinda think calderon is the man... but i don't think he should be an elite true PG here at any point. just solid kinda like what troy hudson is right now but not as much shooting.
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 20:24:56 GMT -5
Duce do you have Swiss in you? Your nuetral on everything!!
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Post by duce on Apr 27, 2007 20:29:18 GMT -5
hahahaha, i dunnnno i guess i am. i think i bitch about stuff enough of the time, i just consider other's points of view when possible.
i'd make a terrible agent.
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 20:35:10 GMT -5
Just because a player has "A" potential doesn't mean he will explode and become elite. It does give a young player an opportunity to get better, which is something a young player should be capable of.
And as I stated... it's based on what a player is doing now/career... not the best season as a Pro(or the one prior to the BBS year).
Of course Kobe and Tmac had lower ratings... they were 18/19 years old when we restarted... and probably had close to 100 potential. Calderon is 22/23 and has been playing professional ball for years already. He's just as good as guys like Ridnour and even Ford.. so why not give him comparable ratings and potential? Because you don't know much about him?
It's not like im going to pick him up anyway... no cap space. But since the league is lacking in PG's, he's one that you could make with the potential to be very good, and deservedly so.
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 20:40:03 GMT -5
well dj, wouldn't raja bell be scoring 15 ppg then? If Bell avg'd 15 ppg for his career then yea, he should be around there. He's currently avging 10ppg in 45%... so, not too far off. All depends on how he is used and the system he plays in.
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 20:42:12 GMT -5
If I were basing it on this season... wouldnt I have suggested that Calderon be ...
C+ A- A- C D- ... since he shoots 52% and avgs 5 dimes in 21 mins... to go along with one of the better asst/to ratios in the league...
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 20:56:33 GMT -5
Lets get real. He played 21 mins a game not 35 mins. Also He's a 27% career 3 point shooter.
Do you think Bendan Haywood should have B+ inside scoring? I mean he did shoot 56% this year.
How about Darius Songaila? Something like B C+ scoring? He shot 52% and 85% from the FT line.
get my drift?
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Post by djmyte on Apr 27, 2007 21:02:28 GMT -5
Lets get real. He played 21 mins a game not 35 mins. Also He's a 27% career 3 point shooter. Do you think Bendan Haywood should have B+ inside scoring? I mean he did shoot 56% this year. How about Darius Songaila? Something like B C+ scoring? He shot 52% and 85% from the FT line. get my drift? Who cares about Songaila and Haywood. Neither are JOSE CALDERON. I like how you conveniently left out his overall shooting % and FT %... 47% and 83%. Btw, he took 47 3pt attempts his 1st season... hardly a legit sample size to work with. But again, I already stated he wasnt a great 3pt shooter so no worries here.
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Post by jahallstar on Apr 27, 2007 21:13:44 GMT -5
So you agree to neglect the way other players were rated. That right there says your overating the guy. He's a prospect. He might be an above average starter or he might stay just what he is...a guy that comes off the bench and gets you 8 ppg. I stated his %'s in my 2nd post I believe. Don't say I conveniently left them out. I was just giving you guys who had BETTER %s.
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Post by nybombers3 on Apr 27, 2007 21:18:23 GMT -5
Looks like we've found the new face of the league.
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