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Post by nova on Sept 22, 2007 11:03:26 GMT -5
Not looking for anything in particular, but he's a terrific PG, so don't be cheap.
Offer up.
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Post by nova on Sept 27, 2007 16:29:55 GMT -5
Bump...
No one wants him? Very good PG...
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Post by garf2000 on Sept 29, 2007 10:32:02 GMT -5
Tried posting this in the trade thread but it was locked before i could reply...
Martinez > Nova.
Sure he made one terrible trade, but you've had 3 or 4 years to make some sort of improvement and you just haven't. Martinez had a lot of talent, and he may have not been able to keep it, but at least at one point he had talent. You put David Lee on a trade block as untouchable... seriously? David Lee, untouchable? This trade better work out for you, but I have a feeling the mediocrity will continue and we'll be looking at Skillz as the new Hornets GM.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 29, 2007 10:38:30 GMT -5
The Contract Year does add a different level of suspense.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:00:08 GMT -5
Tried posting this in the trade thread but it was locked before i could reply... Martinez > Nova. Sure he made one terrible trade, but you've had 3 or 4 years to make some sort of improvement and you just haven't. Martinez had a lot of talent, and he may have not been able to keep it, but at least at one point he had talent. You put David Lee on a trade block as untouchable... seriously? David Lee, untouchable? This trade better work out for you, but I have a feeling the mediocrity will continue and we'll be looking at Skillz as the new Hornets GM. If you say so... This is my 3rd season, and if you go back & look at the fucked up mess of a team I took over, I don't see how I have done a bad job given the hand I was dealt. I know my team is mediocre, that's the entire reason I made the damn trade. Instead of being a lotto team without my pick, I more likely than not will get a top 5 pick, and add another nice young player to the mix. If it ends up back-firing and I get fired next year, so be it, but no one can sit here and say that I didn't get dealt an awful hand. If I get fired, fine, but I will have left the team in great position for the future. Spence even said when he hired me, he knew it would be an incredibly tough rebuild. I'm not going to sit here & defend myself, there's no need to at this point. I know I have to make strides next year, and I plan on doing so, but just because there's a CHANCE I may get fired, that doesn't mean I won't make a deal that I believe will help my team a lot in the long run.
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Post by aaronjh on Sept 29, 2007 11:08:42 GMT -5
Tried posting this in the trade thread but it was locked before i could reply... Martinez > Nova. Sure he made one terrible trade, but you've had 3 or 4 years to make some sort of improvement and you just haven't. Martinez had a lot of talent, and he may have not been able to keep it, but at least at one point he had talent. You put David Lee on a trade block as untouchable... seriously? David Lee, untouchable? This trade better work out for you, but I have a feeling the mediocrity will continue and we'll be looking at Skillz as the new Hornets GM. If you say so... This is my 3rd season, and if you go back & look at the fucked up mess of a team I took over, I don't see how I have done a bad job given the hand I was dealt. I know my team is mediocre, that's the entire reason I made the damn trade. Instead of being a lotto team without my pick, I more likely than not will get a top 5 pick, and add another nice young player to the mix. If it ends up back-firing and I get fired next year, so be it, but no one can sit here and say that I didn't get dealt an awful hand. If I get fired, fine, but I will have left the team in great position for the future. Spence even said when he hired me, he knew it would be an incredibly tough rebuild. I'm not going to sit here & defend myself, there's no need to at this point. I know I have to make strides next year, and I plan on doing so, but just because there's a CHANCE I may get fired, that doesn't mean I won't make a deal that I believe will help my team a lot in the long run. You've been dealing in circles, handing out bad contracts and overvaluing guys, which isn't a great formula for success. That's the point. Hopefully you have a great offseason and make strides.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 29, 2007 11:09:59 GMT -5
I think Nova has done fine. Not great obviously, but fine. he needs to have a good off season, but it isn't impossible for him to make the playoffs next year. I think he'll be ok.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:12:29 GMT -5
How was it a mess of a team... you had Marvin Williams, Travis Outlaw, and I forget who else to build around. You dealt away everyone but Marvin... in less than a season I've already saved the Sacramento franchise... LeBron trade or not.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:13:26 GMT -5
I had to take risks in FA, otherwise, how the hell was I going to build a team? All I had was Marvin, my 07 1st, & cap room....literally, that's basically all I had.
I don't see how BG or Smush were bad contracts, and I don't regret giving Ariza that deal, he's still only 23 & it's not as if he's a scrub by any means. Nene was a bad deal, and I've already admitted that was a mistake. As for me overvaluing guys, we ALL do that...
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:14:14 GMT -5
the deal you gave Ariza was the deal you should have gave Outlaw who is a much much better player
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Post by Spencer on Sept 29, 2007 11:15:48 GMT -5
the deal you gave Ariza was the deal you should have gave Outlaw who is a much much better player Didnt Outlaw get a MAX?
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:16:06 GMT -5
in free agency I think, yeah
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Post by Spencer on Sept 29, 2007 11:16:34 GMT -5
Ya, I guess Nova should have made Outlaw sign for less, lol.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:16:56 GMT -5
yeah, I forgot thought we were in baseball.. but still it's not like he didn't have the cap space
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:17:54 GMT -5
the same baseball league which im fucking domininating by the way, ez.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:18:57 GMT -5
How was it a mess of a team... you had Marvin Williams, Travis Outlaw, and I forget who else to build around. You dealt away everyone but Marvin... in less than a season I've already saved the Sacramento franchise... LeBron trade or not. Your kidding me, right? I had Marvin Williams, Travis Outlaw, Al Harrington, Steve Nash, and a group of overpaid, horrible players in Joe Smith, Anthony Parker, & Rip Hamilton. Nash & Harrington did not carry a whole lot of value, I shopped them for a while and I took what I could get. I had to deal people late 1sts to take Parker, & Hamilton because they were so awful & so overpaid. Did I deal Outlaw? Absolutely, because my best player was at the same position, and neither can play any other position. What the fuck sense did it make to keep him? Plus, when I took over, all i had was my 07 1st...not 08, not 09, not 10, not 11. So don't fucking tell me it wasn't a mess, I was in cap hell, I had one 1st in the next 5 years, and all I really had was Marvin & Outlaw. You've saved the Sacramento franchise? All you have is Brandon Roy...he's the only reason your team's not as bad as Seattle...your team's going to be a treadmill team, you have nothing else of value, and your picks will be mid-1sts so it's not as if you'll be able to add real talent via the raft.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:24:09 GMT -5
And while Outlaw is most definitely better then Ariza & a very good player, it's not as if he's a star either.
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Post by Spencer on Sept 29, 2007 11:24:35 GMT -5
Well it makes for interesting drama next year.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:25:13 GMT -5
How was it a mess of a team... you had Marvin Williams, Travis Outlaw, and I forget who else to build around. You dealt away everyone but Marvin... in less than a season I've already saved the Sacramento franchise... LeBron trade or not. Your kidding me, right? I had Marvin Williams, Travis Outlaw, Al Harrington, Steve Nash, and a group of overpaid, horrible players in Joe Smith, Anthony Parker, & Rip Hamilton. Nash & Harrington did not carry a whole lot of value, I shopped them for a while and I took what I could get. I had to deal people late 1sts to take Parker, & Hamilton because they were so awful & so overpaid. Did I deal Outlaw? Absolutely, because my best player was at the same position, and neither can play any other position. What the fuck sense did it make to keep him? Plus, when I took over, all i had was my 07 1st...not 08, not 09, not 10, not 11. So don't fucking tell me it wasn't a mess, I was in cap hell, I had one 1st in the next 5 years, and all I really had was Marvin & Outlaw. Outlaw and Marvin can play the 3 or 4 easily... Outlaw is versatile enough to see some time at the 2... if you tweaked around your DC before hitting the panic button you'd realize that. You were not in cap hell. If I did what I did with Sacramento this season, you could have easily done it yourself. Lumley does not have any of his own 1sts for God knows how long, I now have a 1st for the next 3 seasons and a ton of cap room.. oh and a pretty nice player to build around in Roy. My only regret was trading LeBron after he blew up, but if I didn't trade LeBron I'd have a bunch of bad contracts and no future 1sts to build around him, and that would be tough. Last time I checked both Nash and Harrington are still pretty solid, and yes you had bad contracts but it's not that hard to deal away bad contracts... I've done it, everyone's done it. You act like you were in a terrible situation... I would LOVE to see how you would handle Memphis.. or even that Phoenix team that Bizzle inherited and see what you would do. You had a bunch of nice players on the team and a couple of picks, not alot, but alot more than Lumley had. The fact is, it's not about what you did, it's what you're doing, you're trading back and forth, one minute wanting to tank, the next minute wanting to win, you have no direction at all, and I know full well that that's never a good thing.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:27:19 GMT -5
and yes Outlaw is not a star, but he's a player that every team wants and needs... a lock down defender who can also score in double digits.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:36:45 GMT -5
Your kidding me, right? I had Marvin Williams, Travis Outlaw, Al Harrington, Steve Nash, and a group of overpaid, horrible players in Joe Smith, Anthony Parker, & Rip Hamilton. Nash & Harrington did not carry a whole lot of value, I shopped them for a while and I took what I could get. I had to deal people late 1sts to take Parker, & Hamilton because they were so awful & so overpaid. Did I deal Outlaw? Absolutely, because my best player was at the same position, and neither can play any other position. What the fuck sense did it make to keep him? Plus, when I took over, all i had was my 07 1st...not 08, not 09, not 10, not 11. So don't fucking tell me it wasn't a mess, I was in cap hell, I had one 1st in the next 5 years, and all I really had was Marvin & Outlaw. Outlaw and Marvin can play the 3 or 4 easily... Outlaw is versatile enough to see some time at the 2... if you tweaked around your DC before hitting the panic button you'd realize that. You were not in cap hell. If I did what I did with Sacramento this season, you could have easily done it yourself. Lumley does not have any of his own 1sts for God knows how long, I now have a 1st for the next 3 seasons and a ton of cap room.. oh and a pretty nice player to build around in Roy. My only regret was trading LeBron after he blew up, but if I didn't trade LeBron I'd have a bunch of bad contracts and no future 1sts to build around him, and that would be tough. Last time I checked both Nash and Harrington are still pretty solid, and yes you had bad contracts but it's not that hard to deal away bad contracts... I've done it, everyone's done it. You act like you were in a terrible situation... I would LOVE to see how you would handle Memphis.. or even that Phoenix team that Bizzle inherited and see what you would do. You had a bunch of nice players on the team and a couple of picks, not alot, but alot more than Lumley had. The fact is, it's not about what you did, it's what you're doing, you're trading back and forth, one minute wanting to tank, the next minute wanting to win, you have no direction at all, and I know full well that that's never a good thing. Marvin CANNOT play the 4...I tried him there, and it was just a disaster. Outlaw CANNOT play the 4...ge grabs a whopping 5 rebounds a game at SF & I'd be willing to guarantee he'd get owned and would be even worse offensively PF. Outlaw cannot start at SG, any person can see that. I was in cap hell...I had some awful contracts on the books, and to make matters worse, two of them were players who deserved to be making the LLE/MLE, not close to the the maximum. You can say I've done a bad job, that's your opinion, but any logical person with any ounce of knowledge about sim leagues will agree that I took over a team that was in shambles. The fact that you say I had a bunch of nice players on my team makes everything else you say irrelevant because of just how ludicrous that statement is. I'm trading back & forth? I traded for Smush because I didn't have my 1st and because I wanted a better PG who would help me win more games, clearly that wasn't enough to get my team to win, and instead of dealing most of my other young players just to try and win, I decided to deal Smush to get my own pick back so I can ad another nice young player via the raft and then if I need to make deals I can do so in the offseason when I have a better idea of what I need to address.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:37:03 GMT -5
and yes Outlaw is not a star, but he's a player that every team wants and needs... a lock down defender who can also score in double digits. I never denied that...
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:40:24 GMT -5
Plus, your in the West, and no offense to any of the Western GM's, but compared to the East, it's a JV league. The East is ridiculously stacked & the Central in particular is ridiculously stacked.
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Post by The X-Factor on Sept 29, 2007 11:51:36 GMT -5
just because certain GMs are in certain divisions does not affect the moves you make with a team.
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Post by nova on Sept 29, 2007 11:58:06 GMT -5
I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying that you have to take that into account when you look at my team's performance. Hell, put your team in the Central, your a 30 win team for the season.
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