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Post by aaron2344 on Apr 3, 2007 13:52:16 GMT -5
I guess I just dont get it. Why the obsession with creating the perfect lg with perfect owners? Lgs are what they are. Some good GM's some bad and some in the middle. And a lot of it is luck. Do the players you draft develop? Do the talent faires smile upon you or frown? Seems like this lg is always trying to get rid of GM's. I just dont get it, nearly all the guys in this lg are pretty active and the ones that arent super active seem to do their DC's and participate fine. Not everyone is a wheeler dealer. I've been in basball lgs where they woulda killed for this kinda activity. As the old saying goes the grass is always greener on the other side, sometimes you just need to just be thankful for what you have. My 2 cents for what it's worth. Its all a process though Greg. 3 years ago I woulda killed for half the activity I get out of BBS now. I dont think there is a more active, or more consistent sim out there then BBS, but that doesnt mean it cant be better. Why have bad or mediocre Gms when you can have the best around? Why have a guy posting 50 times a season when you can have a guy posting 100 times a season. Im all for the fact that the BBS is a great place to be but I think I can expect to want more if thats what I want. I mean I think youd be hard pressed to find a commish that does what I do. The time I put in to the sim, how its run, and how regular and consistent things are here, its rare. Not trying to pat myself on the back, but I dont think its debatable really. I expect alot out of myself, which is why I expect alot out of GMs. there's at least five gms who should be out right now due to lack of activity....i'd love this idea of getting the best and most active in a league, and get rid of the guys who don't put in the time, as i'm sure most would
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 13:55:39 GMT -5
If we could replace our 5-8 weakest GMs with guys like Will, Tiger, Aar and some of the stronger guys from UOSL, wouldnt it just be an awesome thing?
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Post by nybombers3 on Apr 3, 2007 13:57:45 GMT -5
Which NBN guys are unbearable? Scott aside because even guys in NBN hate him. The NBN guys are protective of NBN. Its understandable. They think its the best, and they have a right to that opinion. Honestly NBN isnt the same when Will isnt running it though and Insane was a huge reason why I couldnt get into the league anymore. But hey, thats just my 2 cents. I get what you mean and for the most part, I agree. My point though is, we're just fucking around at the end of the day. This of course, is Scott aside. I in no way wanna speak for Scott.
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Post by duce on Apr 3, 2007 13:58:17 GMT -5
Which NBN guys are unbearable? Scott aside because even guys in NBN hate him. everyone seems to get a laugh out of this but it's really the facts. dan, aaron, pig, myself, nova, as well as boss, dorothy(detroit), shaunkol were such a huge part of uosl... the former were all co-commissioners and uosl1 would not have been alive if not for them - especially dan. duck was busy with school and we needed a simmer and such. a lot of NBN guys just sorta came in and didn't give a fuck who was who. you have to be able to understand why that would anger some people. and i like ducky, he's one of my fav people online but i just don't know if his vision was ever under any consideration of all that. that's what makes it unbearable for the people who are saying that it is. it's not one or 2 unbearable people, but what it has become as a whole. their league has basically slipped out of their hands. sounds junior high school-ish but that's just what it is.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 13:59:09 GMT -5
The NBN guys are protective of NBN. Its understandable. They think its the best, and they have a right to that opinion. Honestly NBN isnt the same when Will isnt running it though and Insane was a huge reason why I couldnt get into the league anymore. But hey, thats just my 2 cents. I get what you mean and for the most part, I agree. My point though is, we're just fucking around at the end of the day. This of course, is Scott aside. I in no way wanna speak for Scott. Ya, this is why I kinda spoke up in the Magic thread. I know all the BBS guys super well, and alot of the NBN guys very well. 95% of these guys are really good guys so it kinda sucks to see all the shit talking back and forth when its personal stuff. Cause really, there is no reason to take it to a personal level.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 14:00:39 GMT -5
Which NBN guys are unbearable? Scott aside because even guys in NBN hate him. everyone seems to get a laugh out of this but it's really the facts. dan, aaron, pig, myself, nova, as well as boss, dorothy(detroit), shaunkol were such a huge part of uosl... the former were all co-commissioners and uosl1 would not have been alive if not for them - especially dan. duck was busy with school and we needed a simmer and such. a lot of NBN guys just sorta came in and didn't give a fuck who was who. you have to be able to understand why that would anger some people. and i like ducky, he's one of my fav people online but i just don't know if his vision was ever under any consideration of all that. that's what makes it unbearable for the people who are saying that it is. it's not one or 2 unbearable people, but what it has become as a whole. their league has basically slipped out of their hands. sounds junior high school-ish but that's just what it is. Well, with new GMs you need to kinda re earn respect. Its a pretty lame concept, to have a sim league reputation, but once you get known among different crowds, you get respect from them. It just takes time.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 14:03:51 GMT -5
The NBN guys are protective of NBN. Its understandable. They think its the best, and they have a right to that opinion. Honestly NBN isnt the same when Will isnt running it though and Insane was a huge reason why I couldnt get into the league anymore. But hey, thats just my 2 cents. I get what you mean and for the most part, I agree. My point though is, we're just fucking around at the end of the day. This of course, is Scott aside. I in no way wanna speak for Scott. Scott lives in a parallel universe. His actions and thoughts arent consistent with anyone Ive ever come across in real life, and for this I am great full.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 14:04:58 GMT -5
Also, I dont think I couldve asked more from this reincarnation of BBS, but Im also very excited for the next one.
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Post by nybombers3 on Apr 3, 2007 14:06:12 GMT -5
Which NBN guys are unbearable? Scott aside because even guys in NBN hate him. everyone seems to get a laugh out of this but it's really the facts. dan, aaron, pig, myself, nova, as well as boss, dorothy(detroit), shaunkol were such a huge part of uosl... the former were all co-commissioners and uosl1 would not have been alive if not for them - especially dan. duck was busy with school and we needed a simmer and such. a lot of NBN guys just sorta came in and didn't give a fuck who was who. you have to be able to understand why that would anger some people. and i like ducky, he's one of my fav people online but i just don't know if his vision was ever under any consideration of all that. that's what makes it unbearable for the people who are saying that it is. it's not one or 2 unbearable people, but what it has become as a whole. their league has basically slipped out of their hands. sounds junior high school-ish but that's just what it is. I get what where your coming from but considering the league is already there, most of us are just going with it. Most of us mean nothing by it. I do believe it'll calm down eventually and everything will be how I believe it can be. Scott aside. Sorry but he'll always be that way.
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Post by NoColdFeet on Apr 3, 2007 14:13:29 GMT -5
I think it's an interesting idea, and it could work and create competition. However we're dealing with the online world here, and people do seem to catch feelings for whatever reason. Even though people know they're going to kicked out for being in the top 3, I guarantee you will run into some problems somewhere...
What if a GM knows his team is going no where so he purposely makes the team worst? I don't know you have to look at all the aspects...
Maybe the last 2 or 1 team would be replaced. 3 teams is ehhh maybe too high but I don't know I'm just thinking about it.
That is an interesting idea nonetheless...and I would definitely be interested to see how that would work out. I think once you get things running you'll come up with more ideas and twists that will make things work out...
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 14:14:19 GMT -5
I think UOSL has the ability to be a pretty damn awesome sim with the guys that are in, or interested.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 14:17:09 GMT -5
I think it's an interesting idea, and it could work and create competition. However we're dealing with the online world here, and people do seem to catch feelings for whatever reason. Even though people know they're going to kicked out for being in the top 3, I guarantee you will run into some problems somewhere... What if a GM knows his team is going no where so he purposely makes the team worst? I don't know you have to look at all the aspects... Maybe the last 2 or 1 team would be replaced. 3 teams is ehhh maybe too high but I don't know I'm just thinking about it. That is an interesting idea nonetheless...and I would definitely be interested to see how that would work out. I think once you get things running you'll come up with more ideas and twists that will make things work out... I wouldnt be too worried about the whole making a team worse if a team is losing already. I can always veto bad trades.
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Post by NoColdFeet on Apr 3, 2007 14:20:01 GMT -5
I think it's an interesting idea, and it could work and create competition. However we're dealing with the online world here, and people do seem to catch feelings for whatever reason. Even though people know they're going to kicked out for being in the top 3, I guarantee you will run into some problems somewhere... What if a GM knows his team is going no where so he purposely makes the team worst? I don't know you have to look at all the aspects... Maybe the last 2 or 1 team would be replaced. 3 teams is ehhh maybe too high but I don't know I'm just thinking about it. That is an interesting idea nonetheless...and I would definitely be interested to see how that would work out. I think once you get things running you'll come up with more ideas and twists that will make things work out... I wouldnt be too worried about the whole making a team worse if a team is losing already. I can always veto bad trades. True...but the whole idea of being kicked out might hurt some people. It's cool though, I think it's an idea that can be turned into a successful one.
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Post by duce on Apr 3, 2007 14:25:29 GMT -5
it's not the big deal people are making it out to be. if idealy the gm's are that good then they're going to be competitive enough to like it. to the same token you put gm's in position to prove they belong with the best and make being the worse team a bad thing(the way it's supposed to be.
it's probably the best part of the idea in theory. i don't know if i'm sold on leaving some BBS people behind but whatever.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 3, 2007 15:02:03 GMT -5
Or we could make 2 30 team conferences that have a Final each year.
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Post by The X-Factor on Apr 3, 2007 15:39:09 GMT -5
no thanks... i don't want 20 duckys roaming around... one is enough.
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Post by Outlawz on Apr 3, 2007 18:17:43 GMT -5
I think it would be a good idea. I understand most guys dont like the NBN guys but they're not bad. We dont even like Scott lol. I dont think firing guys would be a good idea..
I was actually thinking of starting up a league like this in the future and calling it something like "Best of the Best".
If something started up like that it should be aside from BBS. Instead of having to eliminate guys because of a new BBS. Wouldnt be fair to those who helped make BBS what it is now.
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Post by duce on Apr 3, 2007 18:19:02 GMT -5
^ exactly(last paragraph)
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Post by ducky on Apr 3, 2007 18:32:31 GMT -5
UOSL2 is kinda in a stage of madness. You guys got to remember, we've only done one sim and we have 4,000 posts... People are just bored right now and once we hit the first playoffs and offseason, I think things will cool down, the NWO thing will probably die down after a while...
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Post by ducky on Apr 3, 2007 18:34:33 GMT -5
Anyway, as for the idea, I think it's dandy, I was too lazy to read through everything, but when do you plan to start this? Because I'd wait for like 6-12 months at least . UOSL2, NBN, BBS are still rolling so I wouldn't mess with them. But sounds interesting to me. However, I don't think 3 GMs should be fired every year. Just the commish should act as the president of the team and fire who they think isn't seizing their opportunity, or if a team is rebuilding, they may need more than a year or 2 to rebuild. So I think being obligated to fire the 3 worst teams is stupid. But I definitely like where you going with it, I think that could be Cash.
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Post by Lumley316 on Apr 5, 2007 3:50:08 GMT -5
This is a pretty basic thought, but it could be interesting. I was thinking about the future version of FBB, and how I intend to run a league on it once it comes out. I wanted to start at like 30 teams and slowly increase. I also intended on starting in like 1990 or 1989. Well heres the slightly new spin Id like to put on it. What if we could get some of the better GMs from NBN, UOSL and BBS together and start this league. I think some kind of secret ballot with GMs from each league listing their picks for most accomplished GM. the top 30 GMs would be invited. Obviously this idea is a no brainer, getting the 30 best Gms together from these leagues would be ideal. But heres the twist. What if the worst 3 teams each year got fired? They would be replaced by the next 3 most qualified Gms. Wed need to do a creation draft again to make sure the playing field was level, but this would all but eliminate tanking. Thoughts or ideas? Well with that secret ballot thing my BBS sim career will be over.
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