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Post by Mark on Nov 16, 2007 19:30:34 GMT -5
Baron always fucks up New Canaan. I'd have won a title with my Nets, seriously, I would have. TD/Fortson was so unreal. If I had cared at the time, I'd have made additions, actually changed my DC, etc. If I had them now, I'd win 60. I have no life now. I'd had a life then. Fucking Baron Davis.
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Post by Dan on Nov 16, 2007 19:32:23 GMT -5
I'd take years of failure and one title too, for sure. story of the year
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Post by Mark on Nov 16, 2007 19:33:02 GMT -5
hahahahaha I don't even know exactly what that means but I cracked up
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Post by Mark on Nov 16, 2007 19:33:40 GMT -5
Dan looks like you're taking the years of failure, no success route. It's an interesting way to go.
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Post by Dan on Nov 16, 2007 19:40:23 GMT -5
nahhh more like the mediocre no direction, no championship route, its pretty relaxing.
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Post by Skillz on Nov 16, 2007 20:07:54 GMT -5
I don't like this for either team
I think Dallas gets absolutely screwed value wise, and I don't think this makes much sense for the Heat either. I'm a believer that the Heat should trade bron, as they won't be able to get anything of value to compete by trading any other players.
Trade bron for a sick rebuilding package or multiple pieces and i think the heat would be having more success...having one good player and bad depth doesn't do much
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Post by nova on Nov 16, 2007 20:09:33 GMT -5
I agree that Miami should trade LeBron, the only problem is he doesn't have his own 1st for several seasons.
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Post by gmgreggor on Nov 16, 2007 20:16:31 GMT -5
Well, much as I like Ming the honest truth is guys just werent offering a lot for him. I dont know if it's because his defense has declined or what but his value just isnt what I'd thought it would be. Kevin and Aaron's offers were actually a couple of the better ones. I've liked Arthur for awhile, as well as Hibbert. Swift is basically a salary to match up but he's 24 so who knows hell next TC he might go up.
I was'nt winning with Ming, I may not win without him either but I look at it like this. I was pretty much locked into the team I had. Not really a lot of tradeable commodities. This trade at least gives me a little more flexibility to make other moves. And I've never been a huge pick guy. I've seen too many high picks flame out unless they are the 1 overall it seems like. It's a crapshoot. There's probably just as good a chance of one of these guys improving as the picks I could've gotten being better.
In a perfect world I woulda liked to have gotten more but the offers just werent there, and I wasnt winning with him so what the hell. May as well try and change it up.
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Post by nova on Nov 16, 2007 20:23:06 GMT -5
I honestly see Arthur as a SF, his rebounding is pretty awful for a PF.
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 16, 2007 22:07:05 GMT -5
i offered foye/gaye and his heat 12+13 which i think is better than anything would offer for bron
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Post by Mark on Nov 16, 2007 22:15:30 GMT -5
I disagree. He's been offered some really huge pieces. He needs his picks, and it sucks that he doesn't have them, but I don't think Gay or Foye should be the player he receives for Bron, even if he is getting two picks back (not when he's being offered Evans, Sidney, etc).
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 16, 2007 23:21:15 GMT -5
i offered foye/gaye and his heat 12+13 which i think is better than anything would offer for bron that's a pretty bad offer. he could get much nicer rebuilding packages without needing to tank for two years for the deal to make sense for him. you definitely overvalue foye and gay. i don't tried to have good trade talks with you where i offered a lotto first and other good firsts along with 15 mil in expirings to clear up your terrible cap situation, and was rejected by being told outright any deal for foye or gay would need to have greene in it. it sucks that you always go for the ripoff, but i guess it works often enough.
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 16, 2007 23:37:19 GMT -5
Foye AND Gay and the ability to control his own destiny for 13 and 14 and get a sidney/evans. ON TOP OF GAY AND FOYE.. it would be the ideal situation. He regected that offer and i dont blame him but if i wasn't the great one like ya make me out to be anybody would say that's better than anybodys offer.
I overvalue my guys? My team is so loaded up top. TP and Durant have to start. Roy is a stud so he has to get time. I switch up my dc all the time to try to get people mins. Young guys dont start being real productive until their 3rd-4th years. Foye averaged close to 30 when he was starting, gay around 22-23. Everybody thinks that because i might be in a bind im going to give up people cheap. Your the one over valuing your guys that's why nobody has bit. But yeah my guys suck that's why you wanted them.
Portland pick is not going to be lotto Boston pick is lotto at the moment but i see it being 10-13 pick and maybe a solid player can be had there but are you going to get better than gay, foye? who were 3rd and 5th picks respectively.
This is mainly directed to habes. Got no problem with mark disagreeing and havin a discussion it's just annoying to see habes be in the middle of everything and act like a mini krup. Get off the high horse you been riding on.
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 16, 2007 23:55:39 GMT -5
foye/gay isn't foye and gay when you said 'and his 12+13' so i thought you offered one of the two. in that case, it's a good offeer, not great, because gay sucks shit. didn't read the rest of your post, but i'm sure it's angry or something.
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 16, 2007 23:58:08 GMT -5
Foye AND Gay and the ability to control his own destiny for 13 and 14 and get a sidney/evans. ON TOP OF GAY AND FOYE.. it would be the ideal situation. He regected that offer and i dont blame him but if i wasn't the great one like ya make me out to be anybody would say that's better than anybodys offer. I overvalue my guys? My team is so loaded up top. TP and Durant have to start. Roy is a stud so he has to get time. I switch up my dc all the time to try to get people mins. Young guys dont start being real productive until their 3rd-4th years. Foye averaged close to 30 when he was starting, gay around 22-23. Everybody thinks that because i might be in a bind im going to give up people cheap. Your the one over valuing your guys that's why nobody has bit. But yeah my guys suck that's why you wanted them. Portland pick is not going to be lotto Boston pick is lotto at the moment but i see it being 10-13 pick and maybe a solid player can be had there but are you going to get better than gay, foye? who were 3rd and 5th picks respectively. This is mainly directed to habes. Got no problem with mark disagreeing and havin a discussion it's just annoying to see habes be in the middle of everything and act like a mini krup. Get off the high horse you been riding on. Like a mini Krup? Who exactly do I antagonize? And what high horse? Everyone tries to pin me for it, but go find the post where I'm on a high horse. I never say a damn thing to brag about myself. I joked for like two weeks after the championship, but my God, I don't think I'm better than anyone here. If I'm angry at you for being unreasonable in trade talks, it's a lot different than being like Krup or being on a high horse. You're so full of shit.
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 17, 2007 0:00:16 GMT -5
And also, to anyone who thinks I've overvalued my guys in trade talks, let me know. I'm probably the most reasonable guy in trade talks. I've never had one player be unavailable, and I don't think anyone would accuse me of trying to rip them off. I'm not like you.
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Post by Mark on Nov 17, 2007 0:15:17 GMT -5
Yeah I thought it was either/or with Gay and Foye, not both.
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Post by Dan on Nov 17, 2007 2:13:34 GMT -5
i think that deal would have been alot better then what he has. Foye, Gay and Yao would have been pretty solid.
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Post by nova on Nov 17, 2007 10:37:16 GMT -5
Ya, Foye & Gay + his 1sts would definitely have been a great deal for LBJ. I'm surprised he passed on it.
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Post by Skillz on Nov 17, 2007 10:38:51 GMT -5
Foye, Gay, his 1sts is definitely a nice offer...
I would wait till i get an offer i can't refuse for lebron though
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Post by Spencer on Nov 17, 2007 11:04:21 GMT -5
trade in
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