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Post by garf2000 on Nov 6, 2007 16:59:36 GMT -5
For all this talk that ya making im pretty sure 80% of you wouldn't pay up anyways. i'm pretty sure everyone would offer what you did, its a complete steal. good job
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Post by nova on Nov 6, 2007 16:59:37 GMT -5
For all this talk that ya making im pretty sure 80% of you wouldn't pay up anyways. That has nothing to do with it. Why even trade Roy in the first place? He's a star young SG. And if he did want to deal him, he should have shopped him around to see what else was out there. He didn't even make a trade block to find out, I asked about Roy on 10 different occasions in the last 2 weeks, and each time he said he's not available.
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Post by nova on Nov 6, 2007 17:00:26 GMT -5
For all this talk that ya making im pretty sure 80% of you wouldn't pay up anyways. i'm pretty sure everyone would offer what you did, its a complete steal. good job Your the real winner of this deal, those 16/17 1sts are guaranteed top 5's now.
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Post by James on Nov 6, 2007 17:02:05 GMT -5
This deals terrible. I think I have Sac's pick next year! Anyway, veto/murder/rape.
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Post by aaron2344 on Nov 6, 2007 17:03:11 GMT -5
lumley can be persuaded very easily. if you want a player on his team, no matter who it is, he can be had. i don't buy "the favors" lumley gives, he just isn't up to some people's levels, and gets exposed very easily.
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Post by James on Nov 6, 2007 17:09:32 GMT -5
This has to be votoed, sorry. This gives NY another young super star for virtually nothing. Outlawz, PLEASE don't try and justify this trade to anyone, it's insulting.
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 6, 2007 17:11:31 GMT -5
this has nothing to do with outlawz but lumley was just aloud back into the league and he does this? KG is not a superstar anymore and Roy hasn't peaked
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 6, 2007 17:14:12 GMT -5
I bet Miles end up B-/A/C+/B+ after TC.
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Post by nova on Nov 6, 2007 17:17:10 GMT -5
I don't think it should be vetoed, Outlawz is just doing his job, and it's not a flat-out rape, but it's just a really bad deal for the Kings, especially since he doesn't have his 1st for like the next 7 drafts.
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Post by Skillz on Nov 6, 2007 17:17:55 GMT -5
isn't roy as good as kg now anyway? I don't know how good cj miles is, but those picks will suck
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 6, 2007 17:18:38 GMT -5
Regardless of most of you say it's not veto and KG is STILL a superstar. He's the reason i won my 2nd ring and made it to the finals again. He put me over the hump. Can average 25 and 12 at pf i would hardly call that nothing. Im not trying to justify anything other than that it's not horrible. Nobody knows where the heat pick will end up. No one knows if Miles will improve and what kind of numbers he will put up. KG is actually a better player than Roy right now. The only difference is age which when it comes to value i'll admit is the big difference here but yeah no way this can get vetoe'd. Live with it.
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Post by nybombers3 on Nov 6, 2007 17:20:37 GMT -5
Its not a horrible deal. If it get veto'ed it would only be because of the team i've compiled and if im getting punished for being a good gm ill just quit. Why is it every time someone mentions the word "veto" you say "i'll quit"? One day, someone really needs to just veto the shit.
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 6, 2007 17:21:41 GMT -5
This deals terrible. I think I have Sac's pick next year! Anyway, veto/murder/rape. He'll be in the playoffs
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 6, 2007 17:23:52 GMT -5
Its not a horrible deal. If it get veto'ed it would only be because of the team i've compiled and if im getting punished for being a good gm ill just quit. Why is it every time someone mentions the word "veto" you say "i'll quit"? One day, someone really needs to just veto the shit. because if it's not someone like me or reilly everyone wants to veto the shit if it's not veto. Is it my fault i get shit done and the people that complain they want it veto'ed don't? Krup has said the same thing numerous times and he's the main guy saying veto. The rest just look at my team and say veto. Why dont you step your shit up and dont worry about what i say.
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Post by jahallstar on Nov 6, 2007 17:27:03 GMT -5
KG is not a superstar anymore. He is simply an aging star. He is due to retire any year now.
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Post by Lumley316 on Nov 6, 2007 17:27:04 GMT -5
i'm pretty sure everyone would offer what you did, its a complete steal. good job Your the real winner of this deal, those 16/17 1sts are guaranteed top 5's now. Actually I have my 2017
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Post by nova on Nov 6, 2007 17:27:58 GMT -5
Your the real winner of this deal, those 16/17 1sts are guaranteed top 5's now. Actually I have my 2017 15/16, still, will be gold.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 6, 2007 17:28:12 GMT -5
I had no intention of veto'ing this deal until Outlawz threatened to quit. Outlawz, I think you are a great guy, and a great Gm, but please, allow me to run the league how I intend to run it, and trust Ill do the right thing. if I do something you don't like, and you need to quit, so be it. You've told me numerous times that you think I do a good job with BBS, so please have faith in the fact that Ill do whats right.
This deal wont be vetoed. I am seriously gonna consider replacing Lumley though because he has showed in numerous occasions he doesn't make deals for the betterment of the long term future of his team, and its quite disturbing.
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Post by nybombers3 on Nov 6, 2007 17:34:39 GMT -5
Why is it every time someone mentions the word "veto" you say "i'll quit"? One day, someone really needs to just veto the shit. because if it's not someone like me or reilly everyone wants to veto the shit if it's not veto. Is it my fault i get shit done and the people that complain they want it veto'ed don't? Krup has said the same thing numerous times and he's the main guy saying veto. The rest just look at my team and say veto. Why dont you step your shit up and dont worry about what i say. Because it's annoying and a bitch move, especially considering you do it every single time and has to be an annoying shit to deal with if your the commish. EDIT: I'm not even saying veto this. This isn't to that point but stop pulling the "I'll quit" card.
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 6, 2007 17:35:23 GMT -5
You know i got nothing but respect for you man. I just hate how people just throw the word veto just because of the team i have. But your right i do have faith in that you'll always be fair so if that bothered you i apologize. My mistake.
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Post by Outlawz on Nov 6, 2007 17:37:05 GMT -5
because if it's not someone like me or reilly everyone wants to veto the shit if it's not veto. Is it my fault i get shit done and the people that complain they want it veto'ed don't? Krup has said the same thing numerous times and he's the main guy saying veto. The rest just look at my team and say veto. Why dont you step your shit up and dont worry about what i say. Because it's annoying and a bitch move, especially considering you do it every single time and has to be an annoying shit to deal with if your the commish. You can call it what you want. I dont ever remember doing this here. I did it in NBN because people over there be on some power highs. But i really dont give a fuck what you think about it. So
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Post by James on Nov 6, 2007 17:37:19 GMT -5
Argh, I agree with Andy and Krup here.
But Spencer, your decision is final so theres no point arguing it. You plead a good case.
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Post by Skillz on Nov 6, 2007 17:38:40 GMT -5
i think it should be veto'ed just because outlawz threatened to quit because of it...why would u even say that?
For real, I think it's a terrible deal but not nessasarily worth a veto if spencer doesn't think so.
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Post by nybombers3 on Nov 6, 2007 17:38:55 GMT -5
Because it's annoying and a bitch move, especially considering you do it every single time and has to be an annoying shit to deal with if your the commish. You can call it what you want. I'm pretty sure I just did. and I never said you did it here. NBN isn't the only place you ever did it though.
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Post by nova on Nov 6, 2007 17:41:25 GMT -5
Argh, I agree with Andy and Krup here. But Spencer, your decision is final so theres no point arguing it. You plead a good case. It is a bad deal, but it's not veto-worthy, it's just that it's assured the Knicks of being a top team for several more seasons, when it looked like they might finally be on the downfall.
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