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Post by cjmjones008 on Nov 4, 2007 18:21:24 GMT -5
Hornets Trade
Tasmin Mitchell 2014 Hornets 1st(Top 5 protected, if top 5, bucks get my 2015 1st top 3 protected, if top 3 1st bucks get my 2016 1st) 2012 Hornets 2nd 2013 Hornets 2nd RC by 2014
Bucks Trade
Zabelin
Bucks Confirm
I hate to trade Zabelin because i think he will end up a good player in this league but i needed to save cap and he makes the most sense to trade to do that. Picking up a 1st and a RC is nice as well... 2nds will help me with hard cap in future years
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Post by nova on Nov 4, 2007 18:23:21 GMT -5
Hornets Accept.
It's risky, but I see that 1st being a mid-1st at best, and I feel Zabelin is worth that, and I could care less about Mitchell or the 2nds.
He is still very raw, but he had a really nice first TC, and even if he takes a while to develop, he looks like a promising player who should be quite versatile.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 18:50:52 GMT -5
I hope you stay around because you've left yourself with no picks, and that would just be no fun to a new GM, kinda similar to what you always insult Martinez about.
I think Zabelin sucks, I actually didn't even know who he was before this trade, but if he has a nice TC, I will definitely admit I was wrong.
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Post by nova on Nov 4, 2007 18:51:58 GMT -5
I hope you stay around because you've left yourself with no picks, and that would just be not fair to a new GM, kinda similar to what you always insult Martinez about. True. Except I didn't have most of the picks when I got here(I only dealt 12 & 14, he dealt 08, 09, 10, 11, and 13). Plus, if I unfortunately get fired, it's not as if I've left the new GM with a team in turmoil, it's a pretty solid team.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 18:52:51 GMT -5
Hornets Trade: Austin Daye Nene 2012 Hornets 1st 2010 Hornets 2nd 2011 Hornets 2nd
Rockets Trade: Joe Johnson
Hornets Agree. I like JJ a lot and feel a Barbosa-JJ-Marvin trio with Brewer coming off the bench at PG/SG is much better for right now, and will help me in this season, and while I like Daye a lot, I don't need him due to Brewer, so it's a loss that I can deal with. Dealing the 1st is a risk, but ya know what, I haven't taken many risks yet, so it's about time I do.
Nice dealing.
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Post by nova on Nov 4, 2007 18:53:45 GMT -5
Whoops, I meant 2012. My bad.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 18:53:55 GMT -5
Although, you may have gotten that back from someone who he traded it to.
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Post by nova on Nov 4, 2007 18:54:52 GMT -5
I think I had 2007 & 2012, and that was it until 2014.
I might be mistaken on 2011, but I'm 100% positive I didn't have 08, 09, 10, or 13.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 18:55:42 GMT -5
I hope you stay around because you've left yourself with no picks, and that would just be not fair to a new GM, kinda similar to what you always insult Martinez about. True. Except I didn't have most of the picks when I got here(I only dealt 12 & 14, he dealt 08, 09, 10, 11, and 13). Plus, if I unfortunately get fired, it's not as if I've left the new GM with a team in turmoil, it's a pretty solid team. The only player I would want on your team is Marvin, and Martinez was the one who got him. And I swear I'm not just commenting because it's you, I comment on everyone's trades.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 4, 2007 19:00:41 GMT -5
and people act like I traded away all my 1sts by myself.
Do people forget that Spencer was my assistant at one point? He traded away a 1st of ours for JJ.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 4, 2007 19:07:54 GMT -5
Chris wouldve been fine if he hadn't done that Nash deal with Hernando, which is why I think its funny Hernando always bashes Nova when he makes a deal that is mediocre.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 19:09:16 GMT -5
I don't see how the two are related... I'm supposed to not try to make good trades for my team?
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 19:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 4, 2007 19:12:28 GMT -5
Chris wouldve been fine if he hadn't done that Nash deal with Hernando, which is why I think its funny Hernando always bashes Nova when he makes a deal that is mediocre. The time I made that trade everyone thought it was a good deal, not one person said "what a bad deal." It's easy to say after the fact that a trade was bad, sure, but the time I made that deal I thought it was what the team needed to contend.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 4, 2007 19:12:43 GMT -5
I don't see how the two are related... I'm supposed to not try to make good trades for my team? Yes. But it seems as though you pick on Nova for the poor job hes done in NO, when although he has been mediocre, he hasn't been bad. Chris left the team in a sorry state of affairs from what I remember, and you were responsible to a large extent, so you should remember it clearly.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 4, 2007 19:13:17 GMT -5
and Outlawz hit the nail right on the head... I couldn't find a legit big man without overpaying... and that's what killed the team.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 4, 2007 19:14:40 GMT -5
I don't see how the two are related... I'm supposed to not try to make good trades for my team? Yes. But it seems as though you pick on Nova for the poor job hes done in NO, when although he has been mediocre, he hasn't been bad. Chris left the team in a sorry state of affairs from what I remember, and you were responsible to a large extent, so you should remember it clearly. I can no longer be blamed for anything nova has done since two seasons ago until now... he has more than enough time and resources to put his own stamp on this team.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 19:16:24 GMT -5
I don't see how the two are related... I'm supposed to not try to make good trades for my team? Yes. But it seems as though you pick on Nova for the poor job hes done in NO, when although he has been mediocre, he hasn't been bad. Chris left the team in a sorry state of affairs from what I remember, and you were responsible to a large extent, so you should remember it clearly. The only thing keeping this Hornets team close to contending is Marvin Williams, thanks to Chris. I dealt a bad contract and a slightly over the hill player for essentially a couple draft picks, including his own, which at the time of the trade didn't seem like it was going to be a top pick with his team... The team ended up sucking balls, and I think I landed the top pick. Martinez's worst move from what I remember was the JJ deal.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 4, 2007 19:17:31 GMT -5
Yes. But it seems as though you pick on Nova for the poor job hes done in NO, when although he has been mediocre, he hasn't been bad. Chris left the team in a sorry state of affairs from what I remember, and you were responsible to a large extent, so you should remember it clearly. I can no longer be blamed for anything nova has done since two seasons ago until now... he has more than enough time and resources to put his own stamp on this team. Im not blaming you for where the team is, Im just saying its better then it was when you left. When you left it wasnt in good shape. You couldve done exactly what Nova has done, or better, if you had stayed on as GM. Im just saying it gets kinda old when you and Hernando rip Nova for what hes doing.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 19:18:19 GMT -5
Pig won the championship in 1 season after being the worst team in the league and having all expirings. Nova hasn't reached the playoffs yet.
I personally don't see how a team (not just the Hornets) can go under .500 for more than 2 or 3 seasons in a row, when not blatantly attempting to tank.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 4, 2007 19:18:28 GMT -5
Yes. But it seems as though you pick on Nova for the poor job hes done in NO, when although he has been mediocre, he hasn't been bad. Chris left the team in a sorry state of affairs from what I remember, and you were responsible to a large extent, so you should remember it clearly. The only thing keeping this Hornets team close to contending is Marvin Williams, thanks to Chris. I dealt a bad contract and a slightly over the hill player for essentially a couple draft picks, including his own, which at the time of the trade didn't seem like it was going to be a top pick with his team... The team ended up sucking balls, and I think I landed the top pick. Martinez's worst move from what I remember was the JJ deal. He got Marv for JJ. The Nash deal was clearly worse. trading a aging PG for 3 1sts is bad. He mightve been an elite team had he kept those picks.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 4, 2007 19:19:10 GMT -5
Pig won the championship in 1 season after being the worst team in the league and having all expirings. Nova hasn't reached the playoffs yet. I personally don't see how a team (not just the Hornets) can go under .500 for more than 2 or 3 seasons in a row, when not blatantly attempting to tank. Hes in the East. Nuff said. Its a different ball park.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 19:19:21 GMT -5
My main sentiment here, is I'm surprised Nova would deal another one of his picks, especially when he's told me he doesn't want to trade any more of his futures.
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Post by garf2000 on Nov 4, 2007 19:21:39 GMT -5
Pig won the championship in 1 season after being the worst team in the league and having all expirings. Nova hasn't reached the playoffs yet. I personally don't see how a team (not just the Hornets) can go under .500 for more than 2 or 3 seasons in a row, when not blatantly attempting to tank. Hes in the East. Nuff said. Its a different ball park. The East is top-heavy... East has the Pistons, Knicks, and Bulls, and the good years from Raptors/76ers/Bucks. The truth is teams like the Celts, Heat, Hawks, Bucks, are usually making the playoffs and they aren't any better than the 5-8 teams in the West... And the Sonics did beat the Knicks. I believe I had a 2-0 series record against the Knicks.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 4, 2007 19:21:46 GMT -5
I haven't ripped Nova at all.. not this season, not last season... I would rip him when he would blame stuff on me... or when he traded Smush Parker back and forth 10 times.
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