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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:17:35 GMT -5
I'm fuming at work right now, I hope people aren't looking at me. Thats pretty funny.
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Post by James on Oct 8, 2007 22:17:40 GMT -5
Nova, you are an idiot. I wasted so much time discussing potential trades with you, PM’ing back and fourth etc… You sounded legitimately interested in the trade, you just told me you had to go and ‘write a paper’ but instead, you make a deal elsewhere and don’t even come to me to see if I could counter or more importantly, to plain old let me know.
A very cowardly move to tell me you had to write a paper then turn around and make a trade with another team.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 22:18:16 GMT -5
I mostly wanted Ibaka or Arthur. I think I mustve miscommunicated that to you Dave. I was of the opinion that either TC or Brand shouldve brought one big and Daye, not just Daye. Sorry about that. no miscommunication I agree with you but out of the deal I liked Daye the most but I still think Ibaka or Arthur was warranted but I would have taken Daye ++ See, I didn't know that. In my PM's, I pretty strongly conveyed that I wanted to keep Arthur & Ibaka, I'm pretty sure I never said I wouldn't deal Daye +. I offered virtually this exact deal for TC, and he declined, it was understandable, but I wasn't going to add any more.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:18:46 GMT -5
Nova, you are an idiot. I wasted so much time discussing potential trades with you, PM’ing back and fourth etc… You sounded legitimately interested in the trade, you just told me you had to go and ‘write a paper’ but instead, you make a deal elsewhere and don’t even come to me to see if I could counter or more importantly, to plain old let me know. A very cowardly move to tell me you had to write a paper then turn around and make a trade with another team. Nova told me he had a book to write for English class. I thought it was kinda weird, but now I know he just wanted to get JJ to play C. Ghey.
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Post by aigatdula on Oct 8, 2007 22:19:06 GMT -5
no worries dave, its all good... ;D now get me the pick to pay up James and my 3 1sts by 2010 ok? Walton > JJ IMO... after having both of them for a season.. I never wanted to add Walton but I had to bc of the hardcap
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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:19:48 GMT -5
no miscommunication I agree with you but out of the deal I liked Daye the most but I still think Ibaka or Arthur was warranted but I would have taken Daye ++ See, I didn't know that. In my PM's, I pretty strongly conveyed that I wanted to keep Arthur & Ibaka, I'm pretty sure I never said I wouldn't deal Daye +. I offered virtually this exact deal for TC, and he declined, it was understandable, but I wasn't going to add any more. ++ would've been alot. No way we would've dealt Brand or TC for the deal that got you JJ. It would've had to include Brewer and many picks/RCs. Even then Im pretty sure we would've passed.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 22:21:15 GMT -5
Nova, you are an idiot. I wasted so much time discussing potential trades with you, PM’ing back and fourth etc… You sounded legitimately interested in the trade, you just told me you had to go and ‘write a paper’ but instead, you make a deal elsewhere and don’t even come to me to see if I could counter or more importantly, to plain old let me know. A very cowardly move to tell me you had to write a paper then turn around and make a trade with another team. Why thank you. I did have to write a damn paper, want me to email the fucking thing to you? When the hell have we even discussed a trade before tonight? We sent some PM's back & forth for about 40 minutes, that was the extent of any trade talk we've had in about 2 seasons. I was interested in the deal, but you said you needed Marvin, and once I saw I could get this deal done, there was no point in working on your offer anymore because this way I keep Marvin & still add a player I like a lot in JJ. I probably should have let you know, but your seriously blowing this out of proportion, your acting as if I just shot you.
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 22:21:54 GMT -5
Oh my god, that is not why I did the damn deal. I never had any issues with dealing Daye, I've been shopping him around, you can ask plenty of GM's and they'll tell you that. You can ask duce, I had a convo with him earlier today about how I was going to try and move Daye to add another piece for now. I didn't want to move Arthur or Ibaka because I have very high hopes for them and because good young bigs are a rarity. why bother nova? his comments are so ignorant and condescending, there's seriously no point anymore. Duce, what was wrong with anything I said? Nova's done this before, he is young, it wasn't surprising. I even posted right after that post saying this wasn't a bad deal but it wasn't great either which has been the league consensus.
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 22:21:57 GMT -5
See, I didn't know that. In my PM's, I pretty strongly conveyed that I wanted to keep Arthur & Ibaka, I'm pretty sure I never said I wouldn't deal Daye +. I offered virtually this exact deal for TC, and he declined, it was understandable, but I wasn't going to add any more. ++ would've been alot. No way we would've dealt Brand or TC for the deal that got you JJ. It would've had to include Brewer and many picks/RCs. Even then Im pretty sure we would've passed. Obviously, and I fully understood that.
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 8, 2007 22:23:20 GMT -5
I'm fuming at work right now, I hope people aren't looking at me. I understand your frustration when you are in trade talks with someone and they don't give you a final chance to complete a potential deal and make a trade with no response in dialogue I never understood that. It's very strange that you can be conducting talks for so long, then just make a deal elsewhere without giving you a final shot, no matter how outlandish the final offer is. I'm not saying this in particular about Nova, but it's happened a few times recently to me.
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 22:24:10 GMT -5
See, I didn't know that. In my PM's, I pretty strongly conveyed that I wanted to keep Arthur & Ibaka, I'm pretty sure I never said I wouldn't deal Daye +. I offered virtually this exact deal for TC, and he declined, it was understandable, but I wasn't going to add any more. ++ would've been alot. No way we would've dealt Brand or TC for the deal that got you JJ. It would've had to include Brewer and many picks/RCs. Even then Im pretty sure we would've passed. agreed
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Post by James on Oct 8, 2007 22:24:13 GMT -5
Your acting like a coward, Nova. I left you, because we ended our 40 minute discussion with you stating that you would LET ME KNOW after you write a paper. Surely, you could have let me know that our deal wasn’t going to happen or that I had to beat this offer to get Marvin. And you said nothing about it. All you had to do was have the decency to let me know.
And our trade discussions before today don’t matter at all, they mean nothing. And I am not blowing this out of proportion, because we almost had a done deal, you just needed to think it over…but it turned out that you didn’t think it over, you just went elsewhere.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:24:19 GMT -5
I understand your frustration when you are in trade talks with someone and they don't give you a final chance to complete a potential deal and make a trade with no response in dialogue I never understood that. It's very strange that you can be conducting talks for so long, then just make a elsewhere without giving you a final show, no matter how outlandish the final offer is. I'm not saying this in particular about Nova, but it's happened a few times recently to me. Okay, fine, Shard for Paul. Post i if you want.
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Post by duce on Oct 8, 2007 22:24:27 GMT -5
I could have almost predicted this happening....Nova rushes into a deal after the whole TC discussion this was pretty much insulting imo. i don't know how you don't see that, but it's typical regardless. nova, like most people here, are not tools.
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Post by aaron2344 on Oct 8, 2007 22:24:34 GMT -5
at least nova gets rid of nene's contract
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 22:24:39 GMT -5
why bother nova? his comments are so ignorant and condescending, there's seriously no point anymore. Duce, what was wrong with anything I said? Nova's done this before, he is young, it wasn't surprising. I even posted right after that post saying this wasn't a bad deal but it wasn't great either which has been the league consensus. I'm young...yes, I've been the youngest person in most of my sims for a while now, I've been in sims for over 3 years, what's your point? I didn't do the deal just to make it look like I was trying to win or to make a point to you guys, and if you think that's why I did it, then smack yourself in the head with a frying pan.
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Post by James on Oct 8, 2007 22:25:28 GMT -5
I understand your frustration when you are in trade talks with someone and they don't give you a final chance to complete a potential deal and make a trade with no response in dialogue I never understood that. It's very strange that you can be conducting talks for so long, then just make a elsewhere without giving you a final show, no matter how outlandish the final offer is. I'm not saying this in particular about Nova, but it's happened a few times recently to me. 100% agreed. It’s just common courtesy.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:25:30 GMT -5
Loud noises.
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Post by KruPaxson on Oct 8, 2007 22:25:34 GMT -5
I understand your frustration when you are in trade talks with someone and they don't give you a final chance to complete a potential deal and make a trade with no response in dialogue I never understood that. It's very strange that you can be conducting talks for so long, then just make a elsewhere without giving you a final show, no matter how outlandish the final offer is. I'm not saying this in particular about Nova, but it's happened a few times recently to me. Yea I am just saying in general not just directed at Nova. If you come to someone and say I have this on the table I think I am going to do it....can you top it?
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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:25:50 GMT -5
Damn elephant.
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Post by Outlawz on Oct 8, 2007 22:28:35 GMT -5
i have youth
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 22:29:10 GMT -5
Your acting like a coward, Nova. I left you, because we ended our 40 minute discussion with you stating that you would LET ME KNOW after you write a paper. Surely, you could have let me know that our deal wasn’t going to happen or that I had to beat this offer to get Marvin. And you said nothing about it. All you had to do was have the decency to let me know. And our trade discussions before today don’t matter at all, they mean nothing. And I am not blowing this out of proportion, because we almost had a done deal, you just needed to think it over…but it turned out that you didn’t think it over, you just went elsewhere. I'm a coward? Right, okay, if you say so. I already said that your right, I should have let you know, but I forgot. Sorry, I really was just trying to get the deal posted, so it slipped my mind. We almost had a done deal? I never said I was leaning one way or the other, I said I would look it over and let you know, it's not as if I said, "I'm really interested & I'll probably do it, I just have to look at a few more things real quick." All I said was I'd look it over & get back to you. You wouldn't have been able to do anything to make me agree to the deal once I saw I could get this done, unless you would have taken Marvin out of it, which I knew you logically wouldn't. Seriously, it just slipped my mind to let you know, so I do apologize, but your making it out to be the crime of the century.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 8, 2007 22:29:57 GMT -5
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Post by nova on Oct 8, 2007 22:31:07 GMT -5
I understand your frustration when you are in trade talks with someone and they don't give you a final chance to complete a potential deal and make a trade with no response in dialogue I never understood that. It's very strange that you can be conducting talks for so long, then just make a deal elsewhere without giving you a final shot, no matter how outlandish the final offer is. I'm not saying this in particular about Nova, but it's happened a few times recently to me. It's not as if I discussed a deal with James for 3 days. The first PM regarding a possible deal came at 9:19pm, and the last at 10:00pm, and the majority of the PM's were just joking back & forth, only 2 or 3 of them actually involved any real trade talk. So yeah, I should have let him know, but seriously, it's a huge overreaction.
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Post by James on Oct 8, 2007 22:33:36 GMT -5
/closed.
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