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Post by GP on Jun 8, 2007 19:22:24 GMT -5
Clippers receieve: F Stephen Jackson G Raja Bell
Raptors receieve: F Rashard Lewis G Anthony Johnson 1 VET FA
thanks for the deal DJ and good luck.
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 19:24:47 GMT -5
Clippers receieve: F Stephen Jackson G Raja Bell Raptors receieve: F Rashard Lewis G Anthony Johnson 1 VET FA thanks for the deal DJ and good luck. done deal.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 19:31:07 GMT -5
fuckkkkk nice deal dj
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 19:35:15 GMT -5
I really don't see why Galo does this deal?? you get 2 great backup players in Bell and Jax who are virtually the same player for a 25 yr old Lewis who has really come into his own as a scorer and is an A defender. Really bad deal for the rebuilding Clippers and Galo don't think I am just saying this bc its you...this is a bad deal. Jax and Bell's ppg combined are less than Kwame Brown's...think about that
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 19:58:15 GMT -5
Almost as bad as trading Dirk Nowitzki for ones own pick back?
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 19:59:38 GMT -5
Almost as bad as trading Dirk Nowitzki for ones own pick back? at least he will see all star quality players back and many of them. Don't try and defer attention from this trade you know you raped him. Kudos to you
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 20:00:21 GMT -5
Jackson is a good player. Check his history. He sims well, shoots good percentrages and is above avg defensively(ratings wise).
Bell is a solid 5th starter as he can defend, shoot and handle the ball.
Shard is a top option, avging 21ppg on 45%. That is avg.
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 20:01:17 GMT -5
Shard is best talent in the deal, but the difference between what he gave and what he is getting isnt as big as you are making it to be.
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 20:02:47 GMT -5
Sorry, 22 ppg... i wouldnt want to leave out the extra 1 ppg.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 20:07:54 GMT -5
Jackson is a good player. Check his history. He sims well, shoots good percentrages and is above avg defensively(ratings wise). Bell is a solid 5th starter as he can defend, shoot and handle the ball. Shard is a top option, avging 21ppg on 45%. That is avg. Jackson, yes is a good backup player. He is a solid shooter that has topped out at barely over 10ppg starting on bad teams. Nor is that a good contract. Bell what has he done in this league? He hasn't shot well especially from 3. He hasn't shown good steal numbers. Nor has Lewis been a top option all season. He's been a top option for 2 sims. When he was top option he averaged about 25ppg which is damn good. Not to mention he is only 25 yrs old and is a stud defender and tough matchup with his height. RAPE! You got a good one here...but you can't defend the deal for the clippers at all..don't lie to us and yourself
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Post by JDawg on Jun 8, 2007 20:11:39 GMT -5
don't get this deal for clippers, Shard > Jackson and Bell
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Post by ducky on Jun 8, 2007 20:15:25 GMT -5
rape
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 20:15:28 GMT -5
The only person that is lying is you.. to yourself.
You dont care about what the Clippers gave/got... the only reason you are beefing is because you believe my team got better, which hurts your chances of winning a title.
Shard has been either top option, or second option the entire season, so dont make it seem like he's been a non-option, or 3rd for most of this season.
Make Jackson an option, with his %'s and thats at least 15ppg. Probably more like 17-18, if not more.
But hey, believe what you will.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 8, 2007 20:16:03 GMT -5
Almost as bad as trading Dirk Nowitzki for ones own pick back? The chance at getting Chris Paul > Anyone in this deal. So. No.
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 20:17:40 GMT -5
Almost as bad as trading Dirk Nowitzki for ones own pick back? The chance at getting Chris Paul > Anyone in this deal. So. No. You traded a top 5 player who was only 26 years old... for your own pick. No matter how you spin it... that is giving away a franchise player. So, yes.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 8, 2007 20:21:41 GMT -5
The chance at getting Chris Paul > Anyone in this deal. So. No. You traded a top 5 player who was only 26 years old... for your own pick. No matter how you spin it... that is giving away a franchise player. So, yes. True. Giving my team an actual direction instead of flopping around in nowhere land like more then half of the teams in this league is pretty damn bad.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 20:26:55 GMT -5
DJ, yes you did improve your team and countless times I've complemented you on your last few deals to improve your bench. It's scary how good your team is shaping up to be. You've done a great job! Does this trade hurt me, sure but I am not crying that you've gotten better. I think it's going to be a great battle between us and I'm merely commenting on the unbalance of talent in this trade and how poor of a deal it is for the Clippers. You know you raped him and why shouldn't you if given the opportunity.
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Post by djmyte on Jun 8, 2007 20:27:38 GMT -5
Fine, your team has a "direction" now, congrats.... you still gave Dirk away.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 8, 2007 20:29:43 GMT -5
Fine, your team has a "direction" now, congrats.... you still gave Dirk away. Of course. Just like I plan on giving away whoever I draft. Want em?
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 20:33:03 GMT -5
DJ is just trying to defer attention from this deal...leave him be Andy he's a douche
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Post by GP on Jun 8, 2007 20:38:09 GMT -5
don't get this deal for clippers, Shard > Jackson and Bell I really dont see how you can say that. Both Bell and Jackson have similar ratings to Lewis. In addition, Shard has been inconsistent throughout the year and is not really a force even when he was the #1 option. I had Stephen Jackson and I know how he plays. He shoots a high % and plays good defense. Also Raja Bell is a nice shooting guard who will make a nice fifth starter for our team. I like this deal for our team and should make us better overall. Plus Lewis will probably not get any better than where he is now.
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Post by Outlawz on Jun 8, 2007 20:43:26 GMT -5
Andy's deal wasn't that bad. He definitely should have gotten more but at least he's going to have fun rebuilding instead of not being able to improve and just dragging on.
I agree with Krup. This is a very nice deal for the Raps. Jackson sucks and his contract makes him hard to move. He's a solid off the bench guy and I like Bell since he's relatively young but I basically see those guys as nice MLE pickups for a guy in Shard whose a very nice player at his age and is a good top 3 option and A defender. I think you will see the Clips lose more games now.
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Post by nybombers3 on Jun 8, 2007 20:44:40 GMT -5
DJ is just trying to defer attention from this deal...leave him be Andy he's a douche Fuck it. I wanna get my post count up. Need the RC's.
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 20:49:02 GMT -5
Shard is having his best season
First Option 30pts, 14 reb, 2 stls, 1blk 27pts, 6 reb, 1 stl, 1blk 24pts, 4 reb, 2 stls 31pts, 7reb, 3stls, 1blk 27pts 22pts, 7reb,1stl,1blk 19pts 8-12 shooting
Also I guess Bobby Sura should start in this league too he has really nice PG ratings B+ Handles and A- defender thats really close to TJ Ford.
You failed to mention that Lewis is a much better rebounder especially at the SF position. He is 2 years younger than both so his upside is probably > either Jax or Bell even if it isn't much. Galo you easily could have gotten a player in the offseason very similar to either Jax or Bell via free agency. What was the rush to get a glorified bench player as your 5th starter?
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Post by KruPaxson on Jun 8, 2007 20:49:47 GMT -5
Andy's deal wasn't that bad. He definitely should have gotten more but at least he's going to have fun rebuilding instead of not being able to improve and just dragging on. I agree with Krup. This is a very nice deal for the Raps. Jackson sucks and his contract makes him hard to move. He's a solid off the bench guy and I like Bell since he's relatively young but I basically see those guys as nice MLE pickups for a guy in Shard whose a very nice player at his age and is a good top 3 option and A defender. I think you will see the Clips lose more games now. well said
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