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Post by KG on Feb 25, 2007 17:47:35 GMT -5
Bulls Trade:
Nothing
Wolves Trade:
76ers 2002 1st Blazers 2002 1st Nets 2002 1st
This is to fulfill my future consideration requirements from the Alonzo Mourning trade, a couple seasons ago.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 17:58:28 GMT -5
No it will be 2007,2008,2009 minnesota picks as we stipulated that they would be your firsts when we made the deal
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Post by KG on Feb 25, 2007 18:20:40 GMT -5
No it will be 2007,2008,2009 minnesota picks as we stipulated that they would be your firsts when we made the deal Pfft, nowhere did we stipulate that at all.
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Post by garf2000 on Feb 25, 2007 19:01:04 GMT -5
drama
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Post by The X-Factor on Feb 25, 2007 19:10:14 GMT -5
in the LBC
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 19:21:19 GMT -5
If the picks were to be specific picks, they shouldve been stipulated when the trade happened. because they were owed picks its pretty much whatever picks KG wants to give.
In the original trade thread it said,
Meh . . . here goes my future for the next 4-5 years.
Bulls Trade:
C Alonzo Mourning
Wolves Trade:
PG Dana Barros SG Andrew Gaze SG Marko Milic SF Dennis Rodman Wolves 1999, 2001 and 2002 1sts Future Considerations (Another 3 1sts by 2003)
Agreed . . . Gaze was hard to part with.
Which to me means that KG owes Dave 3 1sts, not any particular 1sts. The way this is posted it seems to me its at KGs discretion.
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Post by KG on Feb 25, 2007 20:52:58 GMT -5
Exactly, if they were to by 3 Wolves 1sts by 2003, that would've been impossible.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 20:54:50 GMT -5
Agreeing to deals with owed 1sts is just a bad idea. If you allow a GM to give you picks at their discretion, most likely theyll be shitty picks.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 22:20:10 GMT -5
when we talked on aim I said I wanted it to be minny picks and you said fine also we were supposed to agree on the picks by 2003 it wasn't upon kg's discretion on what picks he would give me and that is bullshit because then the deal would never have been done
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Post by nybombers3 on Feb 25, 2007 22:23:39 GMT -5
That's the deal that was posted though. If that was the case, you should've posted it. It's hard for Spencer to just go by that.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 22:25:43 GMT -5
Dave we briefly talked about this over PM once, and I said the same thing then. I cant enforce an AIM convo you had. He posted and you agreed. This deal will be processed unless you dont want the 3 picks at all, but there isnt much else I can do. Sorry.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 22:31:55 GMT -5
No where did it say well whatever picks Kg wants to post at a random time are the picks he can deal me. It was supposed to be agreed upon and KG knows this. So if posted 3 picks before he did would it have been honored. This was not agreed upon and complete and utter bullshit
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 22:34:06 GMT -5
Dave, you agreed to another 3 1sts by 2003... You agreed with no post of a contingency on those picks. This is about as straight forward as it gets. If in fact KG agreed to something else, you shouldve had him post that.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 22:39:06 GMT -5
Also another thing is this was supposed to be done at the end of the 2003 season because he wanted to see where his team was at at that point because he was worried he was trading too many of his recent picks. So at 2003 season we were going to discuss future considerations(no consideration given here) So the fact that these are all 2002 picks is bullshit too. Also Spence I did pm you and said that KG was trading all his picks away and I wouldn't see a pick til 2007 and asked what if the sim league didn't last til then what would happen so you knew that I was talking about the Minny picks back in the 2000 season
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 22:42:54 GMT -5
At the very least KG should be a man and come to me and agree upon something reasonably instead of being a snake in the grass
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 22:44:59 GMT -5
Also another thing is this was supposed to be done at the end of the 2003 season because he wanted to see where his team was at at that point because he was worried he was trading too many of his recent picks. So at 2003 season we were going to discuss future considerations(no consideration given here) So the fact that these are all 2002 picks is bullshit too. Also Spence I did pm you and said that KG was trading all his picks away and I wouldn't see a pick til 2007 and asked what if the sim league didn't last til then what would happen so you knew that I was talking about the Minny picks back in the 2000 season Im pretty sure I said since they were owed picks you wouldnt have any control over what the picks were. Owed picks are pretty gay. To me, when you agree to a trade with owed picks you agree to take whatever picks the other GM wants to give you. Once again, if they were specified to be different then just 3 owed picks, you shouldve made sure that you stipulated that in the original trade. Bottom line, this deal satisfies the owed picks and I dont see what you could do, other then KG volunteering to work something out, that will change it.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 22:46:23 GMT -5
The picks are not supposed to be before the 2003 season
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 22:49:34 GMT -5
The picks are not supposed to be before the 2003 season Where does it say that? Dave, you shouldve stipulated what the picks were supposed to be. Nothing that is posted in the trade that you confirmed to says anything about the picks being specific years, or specificly his picks.
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Post by nybombers3 on Feb 25, 2007 22:50:54 GMT -5
The picks are not supposed to be before the 2003 season By 2003 means any time before 2003. I'm not trying to come off as a dick or anything but as the deal was posted, the picks fit the stipulation.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 22:51:57 GMT -5
It was all talked about between KG and I...I didn't think I was going to get stabbed in the back on this deal to have to make a huge stink about things. All that should be done is that KG and I come to another agreement on the compensation on picks because that is what consideration defines as
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Post by Spencer on Feb 25, 2007 23:00:16 GMT -5
If you guys can work it out, thats cool. I wont enforce that KG have to give anything other then what hes giving though. Hopefully this is a message to other Gms that owed picks are dangerous.
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Post by GP on Feb 25, 2007 23:12:28 GMT -5
At the very least KG should be a man and come to me and agree upon something reasonably instead of being a snake in the grass lol so KG is a snake now? i think dave really u screwed yourself by not including the stipulation when postin the deal. if there really was one, it should have been there. if not, then its up to KG's discretion to whether what 1sts he wants to give you.
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 23:16:01 GMT -5
At the very least KG should be a man and come to me and agree upon something reasonably instead of being a snake in the grass lol so KG is a snake now? i think dave really u screwed yourself by not including the stipulation when postin the deal. if there really was one, it should have been there. if not, then its up to KG's discretion to whether what 1sts he wants to give you. sorry mr. all high and mighty forgot you are the champ. If KG is a man we'll agree on something
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Post by GP on Feb 25, 2007 23:21:18 GMT -5
lol so KG is a snake now? i think dave really u screwed yourself by not including the stipulation when postin the deal. if there really was one, it should have been there. if not, then its up to KG's discretion to whether what 1sts he wants to give you. sorry mr. all high and mighty forgot you are the champ. If KG is a man we'll agree on something all high and mighty? nah just keepin it real like dave chapelle son...
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Post by KruPaxson on Feb 25, 2007 23:22:03 GMT -5
sorry mr. all high and mighty forgot you are the champ. If KG is a man we'll agree on something all high and mighty? nah just keepin it real like dave chapelle son... yea and it's gone wrong
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