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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 12:17:03 GMT -5
Well it seems to be this probation rule has not been followed at all since the league started, so now all of sudden it gets implicated? Does not make sense to me. The rule states you have to be in probation for any of this to happen, and I am not, so this trade should be allowed. But If necessary I can add salary that will let this trade go through. I see where you are coming from, but I do not understand why it all of a sudden is going to be put in place now.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 12:22:24 GMT -5
Well it seems to be this probation rule has not been followed at all since the league started, so now all of sudden it gets implicated? Does not make sense to me. The rule states you have to be in probation for any of this to happen, and I am not, so this trade should be allowed. But If necessary I can add salary that will let this trade go through. I see where you are coming from, but I do not understand why it all of a sudden is going to be put in place now. What other teams had negative cash and made trades that were allowed to go through? And you'll have to add a whole bunch of salary for it to go through....not to mention TB will have to accept the salary all coming his way. And you're right, you are not on probation right now...but the trade can't go through until next season, when you'll be on probation (at least my understanding of it) so then you can't make this trade.
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Post by Nanz on Apr 16, 2008 13:35:54 GMT -5
We havent followed this rule but when we see you make a deal like this is comes to our attention becuase youwere the one adding Pedro and Vlad for 20 plus mil each. I mean alot fo the teams are in negative money so i dont know what we can do, i'm still not sure how this all works but my team sucks so whatever
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 14:15:52 GMT -5
From what I've found only 2 teams were on probation as of last year: Cubs are actually over $11M in debt after last season, and the Reds were over 8M in debt but was awarded 5M in revenue sharing by the game at the flip of the season, so he is now over 3M in debt. Everyone else is OK. Did either of those 2 teams make trades this year to add payroll? I can't find any trades in this season where either added payroll, so it's not been violated.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 14:24:07 GMT -5
Also just found this:
Each GM will have to manage their front office in addition to managing their teams. You can view your financial situation by going to your team's front office screen.
Everyone is responsible for having higher revenue, cash, and cash rewards combined than the amount of payroll for each season. Failure to do this results in a 1 year probation.
During this 1 year probation you may not sign players for any more than a minor league contract. You may not offer contract extensions. You may not complete trades that result in an increase of payroll. You lose the right to make a draft list for the last 6 rounds(the cpu will make your picks).
Continually being on probation year after year may possibly result in termination.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 15:34:57 GMT -5
Cubs, Boston, Jays, Rays, Os, White Soxs,Mariners, As, Angels,Nationals, Mets, Braves, Cardinals, Houston, Reds, Brewers, Dbacks, Padres, Rockies, Dodgers. Are all in the negative, interesting enough I am not even the top 3. What happens to all of them?
You guys are making a bigger deal of this than this needs to be.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 15:37:37 GMT -5
Well it seems to be this probation rule has not been followed at all since the league started, so now all of sudden it gets implicated? Does not make sense to me. The rule states you have to be in probation for any of this to happen, and I am not, so this trade should be allowed. But If necessary I can add salary that will let this trade go through. I see where you are coming from, but I do not understand why it all of a sudden is going to be put in place now. What other teams had negative cash and made trades that were allowed to go through? And you'll have to add a whole bunch of salary for it to go through....not to mention TB will have to accept the salary all coming his way. And you're right, you are not on probation right now...but the trade can't go through until next season, when you'll be on probation (at least my understanding of it) so then you can't make this trade. Really I would only have to add 1 or 2 guys. Which can easily be done. I do not understand why you are making a big deal of this.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 15:37:45 GMT -5
Edit:
Yes, I am in the negative by 3 mil or so. But look a little below that where I have $54 mil in cash to cover the little hole I am in. It's not your +/- right now, it's something they'll check after the season is over and file flipped to next season. Then they'll look at your Cash amount.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 15:40:32 GMT -5
Cardinals? I'm in the negative? Where? is says right on your team page you are -3. Did not check that you had so many guys coming off the books, but still you are in the negative and nothing is done. That is not the point though, the point is all these other teams are 10, 15, 20, 30 million in the negative and nothing is done and you are coming at me with all this bs.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 15:41:53 GMT -5
What other teams had negative cash and made trades that were allowed to go through? And you'll have to add a whole bunch of salary for it to go through....not to mention TB will have to accept the salary all coming his way. And you're right, you are not on probation right now...but the trade can't go through until next season, when you'll be on probation (at least my understanding of it) so then you can't make this trade. Really I would only have to add 1 or 2 guys. Which can easily be done. I do not understand why you are making a big deal of this. You're right, one or 2 guys to add to make up for the 8 mil. If that's the case then TB would be right back in the problem they're in financially. They, like many other teams, are barely getting by...casually adding 8 mil to even out the salaries won't help his cause much.
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Post by steve on Apr 16, 2008 15:42:42 GMT -5
Cardinals? I'm in the negative? Where? is says right on your team page you are -3. Did not check that you had so many guys coming off the books, but still you are in the negative and nothing is done. That is not the point though, the point is all these other teams are 10, 15, 20, 30 million in the negative and nothing is done and you are coming at me with all this bs. No, the thing is we have enough cash to make up for the money we lost this season. I lost 14 million, a little disappointed in that, but I had 30 million in cash. I'll be down to 16 million. You only had 5 million in cash and lost 25 million. You'll be down to -20 million.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 15:44:46 GMT -5
Cardinals? I'm in the negative? Where? is says right on your team page you are -3. Did not check that you had so many guys coming off the books, but still you are in the negative and nothing is done. That is not the point though, the point is all these other teams are 10, 15, 20, 30 million in the negative and nothing is done and you are coming at me with all this bs. Check my other post.. I edited that one as soon as I figured out what you were meaning.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 15:45:29 GMT -5
Still a lot of people will be in the negative.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 15:46:49 GMT -5
whatever I do not feel like arguing anymore and will wait to hear what the guys do about this. I think it should go through but whatever.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 15:48:19 GMT -5
Still a lot of people will be in the negative. That's fine. And when they are I'll do the same with them that I'm doing now. We'll find out next season.
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Post by steve on Apr 16, 2008 15:49:21 GMT -5
Still a lot of people will be in the negative. BOS, LAA, NYM, CHC, CIN, and HOU.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 16:03:46 GMT -5
Still a lot of people will be in the negative. BOS, LAA, NYM, CHC, CIN, and HOU. that is a lot of teams.
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Post by masej on Apr 16, 2008 16:06:15 GMT -5
wow this all just made sense to me...at least i get it now.... i was minus 32 but ill be plus 9... yeee... teams still sucks ass. anyway.... like nanz mentioned, i know the cards gm posted a ruling, but if it hasnt been followed, we need to do something so that we make the financial part an important part to the game. not saying we should penalize dan right now, i just think the league needs some clarification when it comes to the financial aspect.
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Post by steve on Apr 16, 2008 16:10:53 GMT -5
yeah it is. that's why peter wrote the article. before long, every team could be in the same boat. but that's also why the rule is there, so that teams don't go even farther into debt. plus, teams really do need to be held accountable for it. but i'm done with this, just let robert and joshua deal with it.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 17:01:06 GMT -5
Made a change to the trade.
Rays send: Carl Crawford 2007 second round pick
Angels send: Jerry Owens Casey Kotchman Matt Morris
I agree. Now It can work.
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Post by Bluedevils on Apr 16, 2008 17:38:27 GMT -5
yeah.
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Post by CardinalsGM on Apr 16, 2008 18:41:49 GMT -5
LOL. Make a trade to dump salary and end up getting more back....I would have at least gotten some more prospects to help offset the cash
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Post by Bluedevils on Apr 16, 2008 18:50:48 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of got screwed but I just want to get the trade passed. Hopefully someone can take Morris from me... otherwise this deal probably wasn't worth it.
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Post by Dan on Apr 16, 2008 20:06:28 GMT -5
I think you will find a suitor he pitched solid for me last year and the year before.
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Post by PB on Apr 16, 2008 20:10:10 GMT -5
Yeah Tampa that made absolutely no sense
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