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Post by Dan on Nov 8, 2007 18:39:24 GMT -5
What does Will do that is so great? I've never seen the NBN site. His drafts are probably the best out there, no one comes close IMO. hey nova from my calculations i do not owe you an rc anymore from our past trade. take it out! baboom!
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Post by Spencer on Nov 8, 2007 18:44:06 GMT -5
The closer you look, the less problem I see. I mean some guys look great, bu they are one dimensional types that can either score, or handle and defend. Those guys are at the bottom of the list. 3-5 guys will be gone within 2 years. 10-12 top tier guys is probably a little high, but it isn't to the point where every team has a top tier PG. Im guessing not all the young studs will develop into studs, and by the time the ones that do are top tier guys, some top tier guys will fall.
I think its easy to sit back and say, this is wrong, or that is wrong, but it really isnt that bad.
Stud
Tony Parker PG 28 6'2'' 185 B+ A- A- A C- B
Chris Paul PG 25 6'0'' 175 B A- A+ A- C- B
Guillermo Diaz PG 26 6'2'' 197 B+ A- A- A- C- B
Gilbert Arenas PG 28 6'4'' 207 A- A- B+ B C B
Deron Williams PG 26 6'3'' 210 C+ A- A+ A C- B
Daniel Gibson PG 24 6'2'' 196 C+ A A A C A
Monta Ellis PG 23 6'5'' 179 B B+ A- A C- B
Marcus Taylor PG 28 6'3'' 198 C+ A- A C D C
Kirk Hinrich PG 29 6'3'' 193 C A- A A C- D
Smush Parker PG 29 6'4'' 197 B- A A- A C C
Mike Bibby PG 32 6'2'' 200 B- A- A- A- D- D
Young Stud
Brandon Jennings PG 20 6'1'' 170 C+ B A- C+ D+ A
Derrick Rose PG 21 6'4'' 200 A- B+ A- B+ C A
Kyle Lowry PG 24 6'0'' 177 C A- A- A C B
Tyreke Evans PG 20 6'6'' 207 B- B+ B+ B- C B
Acie Law PG 25 6'3'' 195 C A B B+ C- C
Mike Conley PG 22 6'1'' 180 B B B+ B+ D+ B
Darren Collison PG 22 6'1'' 170 C+ C+ A- A+ D B
O.J. Mayo PG 22 6'5'' 212 B B+ A- A- C A
Jerryd Bayless PG 21 6'4'' 195 B- B- B+ C+ C A
Alexey Shved PG 21 6'7'' 170 C+ B- A- B C B
Solid Starter
T.J. Ford PG 27 6'0'' 168 C B A A- C- C
Jordan Farmar PG 23 6'2'' 183 C B+ A A- C- C
Jarrett Jack PG 26 6'3'' 205 B- B A- A- C C
Delonte West PG 28 6'4'' 189 C A- A- A- D B
Raymond Felton PG 26 6'1'' 198 C B+ B+ A- D D
Jose Calderon PG 29 6'3'' 210 C- A- A- A- C- C
Leandro Barbosa PG 27 6'3'' 180 C+ A- A- A- C- C
Rajon Rondo PG 24 6'1'' 171 C B A- A C C
Marcus Williams PG 24 6'3'' 207 C+ B A- B+ C- C
Roko Ukic PG 25 6'5'' 188 C+ A- B+ B D+ C
Louis Williams PG 23 6'2'' 180 B- B A- A D+ B
Shaun Livingston PG 24 6'8'' 185 C+ C+ A- A C B
Not a PG
Maurice Evans PG 31 6'5'' 220 C+ A- C+ A- C C
Randy Foye PG 26 6'4'' 212 B A B- A- C B
Brandon Roy PG 26 6'6'' 218 B A- A- A- C C
Michael Redd PG 30 6'6'' 229 C+ A C+ B+ D C
Old
Steve Nash PG 36 6'3'' 195 C- A+ A- B D+ C
Jason Kidd PG 37 6'4'' 217 C B A- B+ C- F
Chauncey Billups PG 34 6'3'' 205 C+ A+ B- A D+ C
Career backup
Devin Harris PG 27 6'3'' 188 B- B B+ C+ C C
Sergio Rodriguez PG 24 6'3'' 170 C B+ A B C- C
Jameer Nelson PG 28 6'0'' 192 C+ A- A C+ C B
Theo Papaloukas PG 33 6'7'' 200 C A- A- C C- D
Derrick Jasper PG 22 6'6'' 213 C C+ B+ B+ C C
Travis Diener PG 28 6'1'' 175 C B+ A- C+ D+ D
Nate Robinson PG 26 5'9'' 180 B- B B A- C C
Jamaal Tinsley PG 32 6'3'' 195 C- B- A- A- C- D
Aaron Miles PG 27 6'1'' 175 C- C+ A- B- D+ D
Andre Miller PG 34 6'2'' 203 C+ B+ A- A- D+ D
Rudy Fernandez PG 25 6'6'' 177 C+ A+ B C D B
Stephon Marbury PG 33 6'2'' 216 B- A- A- C D D
John Gilchrist PG 26 6'2'' 201 C C+ B+ B+ C- C
Taurean Green PG 24 6'1'' 175 C B+ B+ B+ C- D
Anton Ponkrashov PG 24 6'7'' 200 C B A- B- C B
Mantas Kalnietis PG 23 6'5'' 180 C C+ A- A- C- C
Chris Wright PG 21 6'1'' 190 C B+ B+ B+ D+ B
Jason Terry PG 32 6'2'' 179 C- A+ A- B- D+ C
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Post by Spencer on Nov 8, 2007 18:46:14 GMT -5
Mixture of busts, guys who explode, etc? The drafts are much more realistic. So guys will come in more polished with less upside, or more top tier guys wont boom as much. Its more realistic, but Ive come to the conclusion that ratings aren't as important as general activity or excitement, and I think one thing Ive learned from being in certain leagues is that rebuilding, and drafting are fun, and if you have too much uncertainty with drafts, it becomes less fun.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 8, 2007 18:47:42 GMT -5
Will and NBN have to be two of the most OVER fucking RATED things in FBB.
The guy is a joke as a GM.
Most people in the NBN are a joke.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 8, 2007 18:50:17 GMT -5
Will and NBN have to be two of the most OVER fucking RATED things in FBB. The guy is a joke as a GM. Most people in the NBN are a joke. Will is actually a very good GM. He has had success in every sim hes been in. The teams he drafted for in 1982 were all set up very well. Ive been in a handful of leagues with him, and I believe hes won a championship in every one. He knows the game very well. NBN isn't a joke. I think it is ascending again, from what Ive seen of it, and only started to fall when the day to day commish duties fell off. I think the overall Gm quality is about the same as BBS now, maybe even less as it seems there bottom3-5 guys are either super inactive, or constantly changing.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 8, 2007 18:53:04 GMT -5
Didn't will spend some time in BBS.. do nothing... and quit because he "didn't have enough time?"
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Post by Spencer on Nov 8, 2007 18:55:31 GMT -5
Didn't will spend some time in BBS.. do nothing... and quit because he "didn't have enough time?" Will has never been in BBS. He was in BBS2, and well, no comment.
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Post by James on Nov 8, 2007 18:56:05 GMT -5
In all seriousness, Will is probably the best GM in any sim league I've ever been in.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 8, 2007 18:56:50 GMT -5
In all seriousness, Will is probably the best GM in any sim league I've ever been in. I really think hes won a title in every league Ive seen him in. Its pretty scary.
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Post by nova on Nov 8, 2007 18:57:16 GMT -5
In all seriousness, Will is probably the best GM in any sim league I've ever been in. Ya, he's definitely up there. He knows the game in and out, and always puts together sick teams.
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Post by Mark on Nov 8, 2007 18:59:13 GMT -5
How old is he?
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Post by James on Nov 8, 2007 18:59:19 GMT -5
Yeah, thats why Tylers cheating acqusations in the NBN were stupid. Will's won a championship or two in pretty much every single league that he has been in.
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Post by nova on Nov 8, 2007 19:00:52 GMT -5
Not 100% sure, but I believe he's 24.
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Post by Skillz on Nov 8, 2007 19:12:28 GMT -5
LOL @ Martinez
Yea, I can't really decide what I like more between the NBN and BBS. BBS is probably more active right now, but the NBN's longjevity speaks for itself.
I'm trying to develop more busts, sleepers in my draft classes in SLOR because of the nbn
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 8, 2007 19:17:07 GMT -5
Will's a complete fag and I completley called him out in BBS2 after he was so certain his picks for the next 3 years were gonna be super high. Fucking joke. Can't comment on his GM skills outside that though, but his constant bitching like a little girl really pissed me off. Must be a Melbourne thing.
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Post by nova on Nov 8, 2007 19:18:14 GMT -5
Will's a complete fag and I completley called him out in BBS2 after he was so certain his picks for the next 3 years were gonna be super high. Fucking joke. Can't comment on his GM skills outside that though, but his constant bitching like a little girl really pissed me off. Must be a Melbourne thing. Will's British, not Australian.
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 8, 2007 19:18:21 GMT -5
With that said James>Will by tenfold.
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 8, 2007 19:19:27 GMT -5
Will's a complete fag and I completley called him out in BBS2 after he was so certain his picks for the next 3 years were gonna be super high. Fucking joke. Can't comment on his GM skills outside that though, but his constant bitching like a little girl really pissed me off. Must be a Melbourne thing. Will's British, not Australian. Thanks for letting me know, Carmen Santiago.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 8, 2007 19:31:53 GMT -5
Will is the biggest egocentric fag I have ever met.
That's right he was in BBS2 and he completely sucked.
In 1982, with a bunch of BBS guys, he completely sucks.
BBS talent > NBN talent simple as that.
I've been in leagues with NBN guys and BBS guys. NBN guys struggle outside of their own league, wonder why.
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Post by nova on Nov 8, 2007 19:35:23 GMT -5
Will is the biggest egocentric fag I have ever met. That's right he was in BBS2 and he completely sucked. In 1982, with a bunch of BBS guys, he completely sucks. BBS talent > NBN talent simple as that. I've been in leagues with NBN guys and BBS guys. NBN guys struggle outside of their own league, wonder why. This is simply hilarious. Will sucks? He's 1,000,000 the GM you are, and is definitely the best in NBN. He's right up there as one of the best I've ever encountered. I agree BBS > NBN right now because of GM Quality & Activity, but NBN is still a very good league, it's been around for basically 30 seasons & almost 3 real life years, no other league can say that.
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Post by James on Nov 8, 2007 19:37:07 GMT -5
Agree 100% with Nova. No offence Chris, but Will is thirty times the GM you are.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 8, 2007 19:37:37 GMT -5
Will is the biggest egocentric fag I have ever met. That's right he was in BBS2 and he completely sucked. In 1982, with a bunch of BBS guys, he completely sucks. BBS talent > NBN talent simple as that. I've been in leagues with NBN guys and BBS guys. NBN guys struggle outside of their own league, wonder why. This is simply hilarious. Will sucks? He's 1,000,000 the GM you are, and is definitely the best in NBN. He's right up there as one of the best I've ever encountered. I agree BBS > NBN right now because of GM Quality & Activity, but NBN is still a very good league, it's been around for basically 30 seasons. You're another one of those NBN clowns that think they're shit, come into a real league like BBS and get completely ripped. I admit, I'm nowhere near half of what the top GMs in BBS are, but every other league I've been in.. I've either been a constant contender or a championship winner, to me that's boring. Will is a fag...he has yet to prove to me he can win against quality GMs. Sure he can own clowns like you, but bring him to BBS he'll get his ass handed to him like every other of the so-called "NBN Gods."
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Post by nybombers3 on Nov 8, 2007 19:37:54 GMT -5
I've been in leagues with NBN guys and BBS guys. NBN guys struggle outside of their own league, wonder why. Yeah, BBS guys dominate every single league they are in. Every. Single. One.
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Post by The X-Factor on Nov 8, 2007 19:39:04 GMT -5
Agree 100% with Nova. No offence Chris, but Will is thirty times the GM you are. It's funny how you morons are on Will's dick because he won a couple of championships in leagues with half the ability of the low tier GMs here. It's not about him being better than me or not... but what he did in BBS2 and what he's doing in 1982, is ALL I need, he sucks, end of story, and when you tell him he's doing something wrong, he bitches and moans like a little girl, the guy's a complete joke.
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Post by Spencer on Nov 8, 2007 19:40:43 GMT -5
Chris, I hope you're saying all of this stuff for a reaction, because it isn't based in reality. When you go of on tangents like this it actually speaks quite badly for BBS in general, so I wish you wouldn't. You can have an opinion, but when it differs from everyone else so greatly, maybe you aren't right.
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