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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 8, 2008 1:35:09 GMT -5
K cool
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Nanz
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Post by Nanz on Feb 9, 2008 3:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by aaronjh on Feb 9, 2008 13:32:00 GMT -5
this is awful, how are we suppose to have a succesful sim league when we can not even finish the world series in a couple days. It was suppose to be simmed last tuesday, its saturday, what is going on guys?
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Post by aaronjh on Feb 9, 2008 13:34:50 GMT -5
Honestly, you guys held Mike accountable when he did a MUCH better job. He didn't miss sims, and your inconsistency is ruining this league. If you can't be a good simmer, we need to replace you. This is enough of this shit.
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Post by steve on Feb 9, 2008 13:54:30 GMT -5
bob and josh have certainly brought a lot to this league. for the most part they have simmed on time. they pretty much know what they are doing. however, i am a little worried they do not have enough time for this. we could live with the 3 sims a week, even if we prefer 4, just because they have done a good job with everything else. but now this delay on the world series? what if this becomes a regular thing? i don't want to take anything away from what bob and josh have done, i just hope they have the great amount of time needed to be commish of a league like this.
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Post by The X-Factor on Feb 9, 2008 14:28:09 GMT -5
Honestly, you guys held Mike accountable when he did a MUCH better job. He didn't miss sims, and your inconsistency is ruining this league. If you can't be a good simmer, we need to replace you. This is enough of this shit.
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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2008 20:26:03 GMT -5
Honestly, you guys held Mike accountable when he did a MUCH better job. He didn't miss sims, and your inconsistency is ruining this league. If you can't be a good simmer, we need to replace you. This is enough of this shit. Yup. This is completely ridiculous.
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Post by crazymike2021 on Feb 9, 2008 21:46:00 GMT -5
All I know is that we can't let BBSBL die.
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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2008 21:49:23 GMT -5
Very subtle vote for yourself as simmer, Mike.
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Post by yankeesgm on Feb 9, 2008 22:12:13 GMT -5
It's fine by me if there's a delay, so long as there is an announcement and a reason... Commish's, please advise. Did someone's PC go down? Did PHI request an extension? Just want to know if you guys are okay with what happened with the crazy weather this past week.
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Post by crazymike2021 on Feb 9, 2008 22:21:30 GMT -5
Very subtle vote for yourself as simmer, Mike. I can't do it seeing that my team is in the World Series.
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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2008 22:28:01 GMT -5
I definitely didn't mean for the WS. BTW, what's the deal with Pittsburgh's GM? I thought it was a little ridiculous in general that people were able to trade teams, and now he doesn't check?
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Post by steve on Feb 9, 2008 22:36:02 GMT -5
This is all a little strange. YankeesGM is right, if this is an occasional occurence where they advise us ahead of time, its all fine and dandy. But delaying the world series a week, then not having the sim done by 10:00 on the delayed day? Bob and Josh are good guys with great intentions but if this is the way next season is going to happen...
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Post by bbednarko on Feb 10, 2008 0:37:25 GMT -5
Gentleman, first of all, I do understand your displeasure.
Things have been a bit wacky here in the Midwest lately. Josh has been extremely sick and I have been out of town due to some unexpected travel for work. I meant to leave a message notifying you all of the potential delay, however, to be completely honest, I dropped the ball and forgot.
So, with that being said, please accept my sincere apologies for the delay and unexpected problems. It has certainly not been something that Josh and I have done on a regular basis, and it definitely won't become a habit.
I also understand that often times when there is a hiccup in the process, people tend to get a little over-animated and upset. I can assure you that this league is in good hands and will continue to be for as long as you all allow Josh and I run things.
With that out of the way, let's get down to business and get this ball rolling again. As you will see in the Sim thread, the World Series has been ran. Congratulations to CrazyMike's Boston Red Sox on the 2005 World Championship. Also, Congratulations to Manas Rai, who's Philadelphia Phillies made a fantastic, albeit unexpected, run to the title game.
The regular season awards have also been announced. You will find that thread in the General Forum.
I am going to get in contact with Josh to determine our schedule for Free Agency and Spring Training. Right now, the tentative plan is to have the next official sim on Tuesday night, but that is not set it stone yet. I MAKE A VOW TO YOU, that I will have a concrete schedule in place by Monday evening. Maybe even as early as tomorrow.
Once again, on behalf of Josh and myself, I would like to apologize for the misstep as of late.
Be on the lookout in the next day or so for an update schedule of events.
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Post by Lumley316 on Feb 10, 2008 2:44:44 GMT -5
Gentleman, first of all, I do understand your displeasure. Things have been a bit wacky here in the Midwest lately. Josh has been extremely sick and I have been out of town due to some unexpected travel for work. I meant to leave a message notifying you all of the potential delay, however, to be completely honest, I dropped the ball and forgot. So, with that being said, please accept my sincere apologies for the delay and unexpected problems. It has certainly not been something that Josh and I have done on a regular basis, and it definitely won't become a habit. I also understand that often times when there is a hiccup in the process, people tend to get a little over-animated and upset. I can assure you that this league is in good hands and will continue to be for as long as you all allow Josh and I run things. With that out of the way, let's get down to business and get this ball rolling again. As you will see in the Sim thread, the World Series has been ran. Congratulations to CrazyMike's Boston Red Sox on the 2005 World Championship. Also, Congratulations to Manas Rai, who's Philadelphia Phillies made a fantastic, albeit unexpected, run to the title game. The regular season awards have also been announced. You will find that thread in the General Forum. I am going to get in contact with Josh to determine our schedule for Free Agency and Spring Training. Right now, the tentative plan is to have the next official sim on Tuesday night, but that is not set it stone yet. I MAKE A VOW TO YOU, that I will have a concrete schedule in place by Monday evening. Maybe even as early as tomorrow. Once again, on behalf of Josh and myself, I would like to apologize for the misstep as of late. Be on the lookout in the next day or so for an update schedule of events. Thanks
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Post by yankeesgm on Feb 10, 2008 10:18:31 GMT -5
Good enough for me, hope all is well!
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Post by aaronjh on Feb 10, 2008 15:13:38 GMT -5
Gentleman, first of all, I do understand your displeasure. Things have been a bit wacky here in the Midwest lately. Josh has been extremely sick and I have been out of town due to some unexpected travel for work. I meant to leave a message notifying you all of the potential delay, however, to be completely honest, I dropped the ball and forgot. So, with that being said, please accept my sincere apologies for the delay and unexpected problems. It has certainly not been something that Josh and I have done on a regular basis, and it definitely won't become a habit. I also understand that often times when there is a hiccup in the process, people tend to get a little over-animated and upset. I can assure you that this league is in good hands and will continue to be for as long as you all allow Josh and I run things. With that out of the way, let's get down to business and get this ball rolling again. As you will see in the Sim thread, the World Series has been ran. Congratulations to CrazyMike's Boston Red Sox on the 2005 World Championship. Also, Congratulations to Manas Rai, who's Philadelphia Phillies made a fantastic, albeit unexpected, run to the title game. The regular season awards have also been announced. You will find that thread in the General Forum. I am going to get in contact with Josh to determine our schedule for Free Agency and Spring Training. Right now, the tentative plan is to have the next official sim on Tuesday night, but that is not set it stone yet. I MAKE A VOW TO YOU, that I will have a concrete schedule in place by Monday evening. Maybe even as early as tomorrow. Once again, on behalf of Josh and myself, I would like to apologize for the misstep as of late. Be on the lookout in the next day or so for an update schedule of events. The playoffs were a disaster. Don't expect more patience or understanding than what you gave Mike. This can't happen again, so don't get defensive about anyone getting upset. Offseasons are supposed to be fast-paced, with a lot going on so everyone can be focused on improving their team. A schedule up two days after the World Series is ridiculous. A schedule takes ten minutes to make. That's a horrible decision. I really question the direction of the league. You guys have slowed everything down and when we called for change, you ignored it. Don't think that is going to continue.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 10, 2008 15:45:32 GMT -5
I dont get the amount of hostility towards Bob and Josh. I mean they dropped the ball here in the playoffs, but they have done nothing but improve the league overall since they started simming. Things have been much more organized, but sometimes things come up.
Bob and Josh deserve a little time to work things out before people jump on them. I mean its not like were paying these guys, they're doing it because they want to.
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Post by bbednarko on Feb 10, 2008 17:20:46 GMT -5
The playoffs were a disaster. Don't expect more patience or understanding than what you gave Mike. This can't happen again, so don't get defensive about anyone getting upset. Offseasons are supposed to be fast-paced, with a lot going on so everyone can be focused on improving their team. A schedule up two days after the World Series is ridiculous. A schedule takes ten minutes to make. That's a horrible decision. If you would like us to turn the league back over to Mike, I would be more than happy to do that. I am not really sure what else you want to me tell you? I explained the situation. Apologized profusely, and promised that it wouldn't happen again. If that isn't good enough for you, then maybe we aren't the right people for the job, It appears the only person here threatening anything is you. We have implemented new tools and features that weren't in place when we took over. We provided stability when their was none and offered to take over because people were unhappy. This isn't a job. We aren't paid for our service. Just like you, we do this as a hobby. I consider both Josh and I very open and easy going. We answer when questions are asked and are around to explain the situation when things go wrong.
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Post by aaronjh on Feb 10, 2008 19:02:00 GMT -5
The playoffs were a disaster. Don't expect more patience or understanding than what you gave Mike. This can't happen again, so don't get defensive about anyone getting upset. Offseasons are supposed to be fast-paced, with a lot going on so everyone can be focused on improving their team. A schedule up two days after the World Series is ridiculous. A schedule takes ten minutes to make. That's a horrible decision. If you would like us to turn the league back over to Mike, I would be more than happy to do that. I am not really sure what else you want to me tell you? I explained the situation. Apologized profusely, and promised that it wouldn't happen again. If that isn't good enough for you, then maybe we aren't the right people for the job, It appears the only person here threatening anything is you. We have implemented new tools and features that weren't in place when we took over. We provided stability when their was none and offered to take over because people were unhappy. This isn't a job. We aren't paid for our service. Just like you, we do this as a hobby. I consider both Josh and I very open and easy going. We answer when questions are asked and are around to explain the situation when things go wrong. I'm incredibly frustrated because the site is never updated at all. Since you guys took over, I would have to ask my friends each time the sim came up if any of my players looked different...couldn't even view my roster half the time. Then, I requested four sims per week because five guys had expressed to me that the league was less interesting and active since the sim frequency decreased. Of course, it fell on deaf ears, even packaged with a threat to resign if we really wanted four sims per week. Now where are we? The boards are dead. Completely inactive. Five or six guys post each day. The playoffs were a disaster. There's no offseason schedule. It's been all smoke and mirrors of late. Long-winded posts full of promises. A new web site, yet the pages don't get uploaded. Everyone wants the sim frequency to return to standard, yet you guys refuse; who told you to take over the league if you couldn't fulfill standards? Stop with the long apologies and promises, sim more often, be more organized, upload the site, and I won't be so frustrated. You can't pretend there haven't been a lot of failures of late.
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Post by Dan on Feb 10, 2008 20:05:06 GMT -5
Im glad that things will hopefully start to pick up, I have faith that things will turn around, but the league is still up in the air. A lot of gms have not posted in awhile and things seem to be just unorganized. Hopefully things turn around soon, this league has been a lot of fun.
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Post by bbednarko on Feb 10, 2008 21:08:09 GMT -5
I'm incredibly frustrated because the site is never updated at all. Since you guys took over, I would have to ask my friends each time the sim came up if any of my players looked different...couldn't even view my roster half the time. Then, I requested four sims per week because five guys had expressed to me that the league was less interesting and active since the sim frequency decreased. Of course, it fell on deaf ears, even packaged with a threat to resign if we really wanted four sims per week. It is, what it is. Josh and I cannot commit to 5 sims a week. That was laid out from the moment we took over. If you cannot cope with that, then there are two options. 1. You join a different league. 2. You find a different person to run the league. That's really all I can say about it. That isn't a threat, regardless of how much you try to turn it around and make it that way. It's the facts. To be honest, I have never been involved in a league with some many people that don't own OOTP before. So, that in itself, is a bit of an adjustment. However, as I said, it is, what it is, so that is something I accept. How many leagues have you been involved with? Judging by that answer, I would say not many. When the playoffs arrive, league activity always slows because only a handful of teams are still playing. There are no extensions being processed and you can't make trades. Exactly what are you expecting to see on the forums? Short of in-depth discussion about the current playoffs, there is no material to discuss. Exactly how were they a disaster? The World Series faced an extreme delay in getting the results posted. That mishap has been apologized for and we have moved on. Other than that, what else didn't meet your personal standards? Your club didn't qualify for the playoffs. How could you be personally affected? Yet. As has been posted, I should have one posted tomorrow. I apologize that 1 day is so painful to you that you can't wait that long. Just who is "everyone"? I saw a lot of, "I would like to see more sims, but if you want just 4, that's ok, too." You have been the loudest advocate of more sims. No one else is still carrying that torch. As I posted when the discussion was ongoing, if the majority of the league votes to have more sims, that is fine. But, Josh and I won't be the ones simming or doing the Commissioner duties. We cannot commit to it. And, as expected, you somehow turned that around to say that we were threatening the league. That seems to be your standard operating procedure. Which standards? My apologies. I will do my best to start blatantly misspelling words, giving one word answers, or just simply not replying at all to your concerns. That way you can feel right at home with the way things used to be. More organized? Yes, because the organization has gotten so much worse since we took over. I am beginning to see why Duce left. With so much whining and demands being thrown around, this "hobby" isn't worth it anymore.
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Post by aaronjh on Feb 10, 2008 21:32:53 GMT -5
Quick response--
a) It's four sims a week, not five.
b) I've been in like 12 basketball sims off the top of my head. None were this inactive three seasons in.
c) Delaying the World Series six days is a disaster as far as a sim schedule goes. You can't seriousy think that's not a terrible mishap.
d) It's also terrible for activity to wait two days for a sim schedule to be up. In most basketball leagues, the season finishes, updates are immediate. Not only are we not working on the draft or free agency for two days, but we're waiting two days to find out when we can get the draft and free agency started. Do you really think that's going to maintain interest?
e) Oh, wait. Interest is mostly gone. We have inactive GMs everywhere.
f) Which standards? The standards of simming four days a week. Not sure how you missed that one.
The organization here has dwindled. At the beginning you guys made promises, kept some, and everyone was enthusiastic to have two guys with experience in charge. Now, I think we've come full circle. I was continually disgruntled over the fact that I couldn't check the web site. Then you delayed the WS over and over.
Look, I just have had enough of the long-winded apologies and the promises. Just get your shit together, increase the pace, sim on time, let people know when things will get simmed so they don't lose interest or feel lost. Think about it. Some guys aren't so active. They may check once tomorrow, not see a sim schedule and miss out on important things in the offseason. We need to get the ball rolling.
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Post by bbednarko on Feb 10, 2008 21:45:15 GMT -5
b) I've been in like 12 basketball sims off the top of my head. None were this inactive three seasons in. I will let Spencer handle this one. Trying to compare Basketball Sim leagues (with much more continuous activity because of the nature of the league) to Baseball Sim leagues is very unfair. Read my replies again. (If they aren't too long-winded) Find me a spot where I have said that the delay was a good thing. Once again, you are comparing baseball leagues to basketball leagues. Can't be done. As I am sure you have already seen, or, better yet, obviously you haven't, I have already announced that Tuesday will be the first sim for Free Agency. The file will should be up late tonight. Knowing that, that should be enough to "get you by" until the full schedule is posted. But, then again, knowing your demands, it obviously won't be. Yes, and those inactive GM's are being held accountable. There will be at least one, maybe two, firings at season's end. I got a PM from Kansas City's owner apologizing because work has bogged him down and he hasn't been able to spend enough time with his team. As I already told you before, most GM's don't have anything to say right now because their team isn't active. I will ask you again, since you seem to love preach about inactivity, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO SEE ON THE FORUMS RIGHT NOW? It can't be done with Josh and Myself has Co-Commissioner. Not sure how you missed that one. Me too. I will start giving a simple "ok", "yes", or "no" answer. Hopefully, that will be good enough for you. Though, I have serious doubts. I would like a list who has lost interest and their reasons for doing so. Since, as you allude to, is most of the league, that shouldn't be a problem for you.
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Post by stinie3 on Feb 10, 2008 22:02:33 GMT -5
I would like to apologize to all.
As Bob mentioned earlier, I got very sick last weekend into the early part of the week, which happened to coincide with our SAP Go-Live at work (of which I was in charge of the IT side of things) as well as bringing another building on-line and getting all the IT infrastructure in place. Therefore I didn't even get to miss work to recover (other than 1 day before Go-Live) so I literally work and slept. I had a hard time even getting out of bed for a few days. I had little contact with Bob as it was tough for me to do much of anything.
I am very sorry this all happened and apologize to the timing of it all, but there is nothing I can do to change that. Within the last 10 minutes is the first I've found out who played in the World Series, who won, and what postseason awards were handed out. I just simply was unable to check in.
That being said, if you don't want us running the league I have no problems stepping aside whether it would be Mike or someone else running the show. It's not going to hurt my feelings any.
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