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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 15:08:07 GMT -5
Many GMs are brining up prospects way too early and they just wont develop the same. Dont bring up guys under 25 unless they have 5's and 6's. Its just a bad idea.
I look around the league and I see way too many top spects playing too early.
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Post by duce on Oct 26, 2007 15:46:10 GMT -5
Many GMs are brining up prospects way too early and they just wont develop the same. Dont bring up guys under 25 unless they have 5's and 6's. Its just a bad idea. I look around the league and I see way too many top spects playing too early. I've brought up 2 in 2 years, for my own amusement. No actually, I just "projected" those players to suck as hitters and I wanted/needed the defense on my major league team immediately. Fo sho though. Rushing prospects is a bad idea.
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Post by The X-Factor on Oct 26, 2007 15:50:33 GMT -5
Dontrelle Willis and Wilson Betemit were already called up when the game started
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 15:55:48 GMT -5
Dontrelle Willis and Wilson Betemit were already called up when the game started Ya, nothing you can do about that.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 15:56:29 GMT -5
Many GMs are brining up prospects way too early and they just wont develop the same. Dont bring up guys under 25 unless they have 5's and 6's. Its just a bad idea. I look around the league and I see way too many top spects playing too early. I've brought up 2 in 2 years, for my own amusement. No actually, I just "projected" those players to suck as hitters and I wanted/needed the defense on my major league team immediately. Fo sho though. Rushing prospects is a bad idea. It doesn't matter if they're mediocre IMO, but bringing up 3.5+ spects at 22 with 3's and 4's is a bad
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Post by Bluedevils on Oct 26, 2007 16:11:39 GMT -5
Do you think bringing up Angel Guzman this early was a bad idea? The minor league report didn't recommend to bring him up but his ratings don't look too bad.
And while on the subject... should we listen to the recommendations of the minor league report?
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Post by duce on Oct 26, 2007 16:18:14 GMT -5
Do you think bringing up Angel Guzman this early was a bad idea? The minor league report didn't recommend to bring him up but his ratings don't look too bad. And while on the subject... should we listen to the recommendations of the minor league report? You should seriously consider the report at very least. It's not ALWAYS correct imo and I've been testing it very hard because I want to be able to answer these kind of questions. Usually it's accurate but sometimes you can take chances.
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Post by duce on Oct 26, 2007 16:21:51 GMT -5
In general I think I would be a little more likely to take chances with a prospect who isn't that great from level to level.
Where as a prospect with extremely high hopes should be handled more delicately.
That doesn't mean you should be reckless or scared but you just wanna be smart about where you place these prospects.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 16:21:54 GMT -5
Do you think bringing up Angel Guzman this early was a bad idea? The minor league report didn't recommend to bring him up but his ratings don't look too bad. And while on the subject... should we listen to the recommendations of the minor league report? I probably wouldve brought Guzman up, but Im not 100% sure I would've. I think 5's are usually ready for the 25 man. I usually use the minor league reports to move players in the minor leagues. I usually depend on ratings to move guys up to the 25 man though. Actual minor league performance means little to me. As for ratings, I think I leave pitchers in A until they have a 3 or 4 H ratings. And I usually wait until pitchers have a 1 R ratting to move them to AAA.
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Post by Nanz on Oct 26, 2007 16:24:37 GMT -5
Do you think bringing up Angel Guzman this early was a bad idea? The minor league report didn't recommend to bring him up but his ratings don't look too bad. And while on the subject... should we listen to the recommendations of the minor league report? hes ratings look great i would have brought him up no doubt
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 16:25:11 GMT -5
For example, for me, Hawpe isn't ready IMO. Hes an awesome spect, and he has 4's and 5's, but I want him to be a little better before I bring him up. Im not bringing him up mostly cause my OF is stacked, but also because I think he an still blow up in AAA and be sick next year.
Then again, if he had 25 man roster time already, I might bring him up anyway. My other consideration is starting the arby years, which is the main reason why I dont bring up guys until I'm sure they can contribute. think youre better off signing a MLC vet and having him fill a whole, instead of bringing up a spect a little early, possibly hurting his development, and waisting a cheap pre-arb year.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 16:26:44 GMT -5
Do you think bringing up Angel Guzman this early was a bad idea? The minor league report didn't recommend to bring him up but his ratings don't look too bad. And while on the subject... should we listen to the recommendations of the minor league report? hes ratings look great i would have brought him up no doubt He does look great, but there are some arguments. Tampa sucks, so why not just leave him in the minors, save an arb year, and bring him up next year? And, based on his young age of 22, it isn't impossible to believe he could be a 6 or 7 run SP next year at 23, and be brought up from opening day.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 16:27:38 GMT -5
You can play it however you like, I just feel that I have a responsibility to guys who are less familiar with the game to tell them that bringing players up affects progression.
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Post by Nanz on Oct 26, 2007 16:31:43 GMT -5
hes ratings look great i would have brought him up no doubt He does look great, but there are some arguments. Tampa sucks, so why not just leave him in the minors, save an arb year, and bring him up next year? And, based on his young age of 22, it isn't impossible to believe he could be a 6 or 7 run SP next year at 23, and be brought up from opening day. I understnad that point but i was looking strickly on his ratings, and by that i would have brought him up. I didint think about what team he was on or anything. However that does plays a huge factor so considering he is on Tampa Bay it wouldnt of hurt keeping him down an extra year.
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Post by Bluedevils on Oct 26, 2007 16:34:45 GMT -5
Do you think playing him in the ML will stunt his development?
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Post by Nanz on Oct 26, 2007 16:39:56 GMT -5
Many GMs are brining up prospects way too early and they just wont develop the same. Dont bring up guys under 25 unless they have 5's and 6's. Its just a bad idea. I look around the league and I see way too many top spects playing too early. When you say that you mean on like parts where they are "good" or "Brillinant"? cuase if not they might never get to 5s and 6s you know?
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 16:44:28 GMT -5
Do you think playing him in the ML will stunt his development? Possibly, but not necessarily. Ive brought up guys too early before and they never progressed past what they were when I brought them up. In other cases Ive brought guys up early and they still progressed to a star level.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 16:45:52 GMT -5
Many GMs are brining up prospects way too early and they just wont develop the same. Dont bring up guys under 25 unless they have 5's and 6's. Its just a bad idea. I look around the league and I see way too many top spects playing too early. When you say that you mean on like parts where they are "good" or "Brillinant"? cuase if not they might never get to 5s and 6s you know? Not sure exactly what you mean. Good talents should get a player to 6 or 7. Brilliant talents should get you to 9-11. If a young player is at 4's, with brilliants and is 22, Id leave him down. If the player is 26 with 4's and brills, Id be more inclined to bring him up.
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Post by Nanz on Oct 26, 2007 16:51:19 GMT -5
yeah like for example Terrero,22, he has Good avg Good Doubles and Brilliant triples. Avg he has 6 doubles 6s and triples 8s so i didnt hestitate to bring him up. However he does also have brilliant avoiding Ks but is only at 4s so i figure he could develop that in the majors.
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Post by Dan on Oct 26, 2007 16:57:08 GMT -5
yeah Im trying to keep my guys down till they develope a little more. This year though guys made stides in single a to move up to double and triple a to go the majors. Kevin Youk might be able to come up to the majors soon, he is playing really well. A couple other pitchers to may have a chance.
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Post by duce on Oct 26, 2007 17:00:15 GMT -5
yeah like for example Terrero,22, he has Good avg Good Doubles and Brilliant triples. Avg he has 6 doubles 6s and triples 8s so i didnt hestitate to bring him up. However he does also have brilliant avoiding Ks but is only at 4s so i figure he could develop that in the majors. he sucks.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 17:00:24 GMT -5
yeah like for example Terrero,22, he has Good avg Good Doubles and Brilliant triples. Avg he has 6 doubles 6s and triples 8s so i didnt hestitate to bring him up. However he does also have brilliant avoiding Ks but is only at 4s so i figure he could develop that in the majors. I probably wouldve brought him up. I thought Atkins was brought up too early though.
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Post by Spencer on Oct 26, 2007 17:00:40 GMT -5
yeah Im trying to keep my guys down till they develope a little more. This year though guys made stides in single a to move up to double and triple a to go the majors. Kevin Youk might be able to come up to the majors soon, he is playing really well. A couple other pitchers to may have a chance. Youkliss is probably ready.
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Post by Nanz on Oct 26, 2007 17:02:16 GMT -5
yeah like for example Terrero,22, he has Good avg Good Doubles and Brilliant triples. Avg he has 6 doubles 6s and triples 8s so i didnt hestitate to bring him up. However he does also have brilliant avoiding Ks but is only at 4s so i figure he could develop that in the majors. I probably wouldve brought him up. I thought Atkins was brought up too early though. I agree but when i got him he had already been called up so i had no choice. I left him in the minors at first but then i realized it would have been a waiste of time since his clock had already started.
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Post by duce on Oct 26, 2007 17:03:41 GMT -5
yeah Im trying to keep my guys down till they develope a little more. This year though guys made stides in single a to move up to double and triple a to go the majors. Kevin Youk might be able to come up to the majors soon, he is playing really well. A couple other pitchers to may have a chance. I think Youkilis is going to be priceless in terms of his effect on your line-up... much like reality I suppose... not ridiculous numbers but yeah. He'll be a great guy to have near the top of the order imo.
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