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Post by Adelaide on Nov 21, 2007 16:04:41 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 21, 2007 16:39:48 GMT -5
Don't really agree with the Sonics paragraph. They're the best team in the West, no doubt, but I can't believe the lack of love Reilly gets. He is 42-8! 42-8! That projects out to a 69-13 record. Pig's current record projects out to a 59-23 record. If you want to say Reilly will have a tougher time because he needs to come out of the East that is fine, but I don't think you were saying that at all. Reilly's team is the favorite, plain and simple. He's lost 8 times in 50 games. It's amazing. Several different variables such as how I fucked with my DC a lot this season should tie into play.
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Post by James on Nov 21, 2007 21:30:15 GMT -5
Utah Jazz It seemed as though Mark was going to go all out and win this season however plans obviously fell through and Utah still have the same team that the franchise lined up with on day 1 of the BBS season. Ellis, Webster, Sidney and Horford are 4 of the best young players in the league and are at the core of the Jazz offence (excluding the rookie Sidney). Personally, I’d love to see Mark and the Jazz take advantage of Ellis and Webster’s production and status as star players by trading away Sidney, Horford, Speights and picks for items that can assist the aforementioned duo in winning out West. They have the tools to do so however lack the ‘motivation’ to execute anything at the moment. Final Grade: B -- I dealt for Michael Redd. The motivation comment is pretty stupid. I got the ball rolling on Durant when I tried to blow Outlawz away on an offer. I offered a ton for LeBron. I had Chris Bosh (honestly thought I had him, everything fell into place as necessary, but we didn't pull the trigger). I PM'd you about Batum a few weeks back to no reply. Kind of a dumb comment, considering how absurdly active I am in trying to acquire a 4th piece to play with Monta, Martell, and Sidney. Inform me on any of the trades you have made as GM?
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 22, 2007 12:27:12 GMT -5
Utah Jazz It seemed as though Mark was going to go all out and win this season however plans obviously fell through and Utah still have the same team that the franchise lined up with on day 1 of the BBS season. Ellis, Webster, Sidney and Horford are 4 of the best young players in the league and are at the core of the Jazz offence (excluding the rookie Sidney). Personally, I’d love to see Mark and the Jazz take advantage of Ellis and Webster’s production and status as star players by trading away Sidney, Horford, Speights and picks for items that can assist the aforementioned duo in winning out West. They have the tools to do so however lack the ‘motivation’ to execute anything at the moment. Final Grade: B -- I dealt for Michael Redd. The motivation comment is pretty stupid. I got the ball rolling on Durant when I tried to blow Outlawz away on an offer. I offered a ton for LeBron. I had Chris Bosh (honestly thought I had him, everything fell into place as necessary, but we didn't pull the trigger). I PM'd you about Batum a few weeks back to no reply. Kind of a dumb comment, considering how absurdly active I am in trying to acquire a 4th piece to play with Monta, Martell, and Sidney. Inform me on any of the trades you have made as GM? Try having a clue what you're saying. He dealt Tyrus Thomas for his pick, which ended up being Renardo Sidney. Also dealt Bargnani for Horford. Pretty big ripoffs both time. Also, James, you have no right to get on anyone if you go around ignoring PMs. Did the same shit to me. It's the worst thing a guy can do as far as activity goes.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2007 13:00:38 GMT -5
Utah Jazz It seemed as though Mark was going to go all out and win this season however plans obviously fell through and Utah still have the same team that the franchise lined up with on day 1 of the BBS season. Ellis, Webster, Sidney and Horford are 4 of the best young players in the league and are at the core of the Jazz offence (excluding the rookie Sidney). Personally, I’d love to see Mark and the Jazz take advantage of Ellis and Webster’s production and status as star players by trading away Sidney, Horford, Speights and picks for items that can assist the aforementioned duo in winning out West. They have the tools to do so however lack the ‘motivation’ to execute anything at the moment. Final Grade: B -- I dealt for Michael Redd. The motivation comment is pretty stupid. I got the ball rolling on Durant when I tried to blow Outlawz away on an offer. I offered a ton for LeBron. I had Chris Bosh (honestly thought I had him, everything fell into place as necessary, but we didn't pull the trigger). I PM'd you about Batum a few weeks back to no reply. Kind of a dumb comment, considering how absurdly active I am in trying to acquire a 4th piece to play with Monta, Martell, and Sidney. Inform me on any of the trades you have made as GM? Came in with Al Jefferson on the roster. Dealt off Jefferson (last year of his rookie contract) for Brandan Wright, Acie Law, and a pick. The pick became Semih Erden. Brandan Wright became Martell Webster (yup, Wright for Webster straight up). Law was used along with Andrew Ogilvy (the guy I picked 15th that year, he was a rookie at the time), to deal for Tyrus Thomas, who I then sent to Memphis for my own pick, the Knicks pick, and Telfair's expiring. My own pick became Rendardo Sidney. The Knicks pick was paired with my own pick this season as well as Kandi's expiring (12 million expiring, had yet to play for me) to get Michael Redd, who couldn't be more perfect for my outside focus. Also traded Iguodala (before he went FA, where there was no way in hell I was paying him) for the Philadelphia pick, which turned into the 7th pick in the draft and my current prospect Speights. The only other deal I can remember is when I dealt Delonte West and Darius Miles to Reilly last year for Tony Battie (double-double this year), and Galo's 2014 (jackpot). Now that I think about it, had I just dealt off Sidney for crap, I'd have done better.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2007 13:02:09 GMT -5
Oh yeah, after reading Aaron's post, I remembered Bargnani straight up for Horford when Bargnani was about to get a horrible contract from some idiot. Happy thanksgiving!
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 16:57:44 GMT -5
Mark, it was an honest question which you took way to far. Your team is in the same state it was when you received as it is in now. Also, it's great to see your true character come to the fore.
Aaron, I don't 'go around' ignoring PM's, I sply forgot to get back to you. I checked it one morning before I went out and it simply slipped my mind.
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 22, 2007 16:58:38 GMT -5
Mark, it was an honest question which you took way to far. Your team is in the same state it was when you received as it is in now. Also, it's great to see your true character come to the fore. Aaron, I don't 'go around' ignoring PM's, I sply forgot to get back to you. I checked it one morning before I went out and it simply slipped my mind. True character? You're such a tool.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 17:03:07 GMT -5
Mark, it was an honest question which you took way to far. Your team is in the same state it was when you received as it is in now. Also, it's great to see your true character come to the fore. Aaron, I don't 'go around' ignoring PM's, I sply forgot to get back to you. I checked it one morning before I went out and it simply slipped my mind. True character? You're such a tool. Yes, well I actually thought he was decent, one of the few who I enjoyed on the boards.
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 22, 2007 17:04:04 GMT -5
What has James done with his team besides sit on it, lose, and have a top pick? This deserves a B? I mean obviously this isn't a huge deal but to defend Mark he has done A+ work since he has been back in the league and I absolutely love what he is doing out in the SLC.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 17:14:05 GMT -5
I'd take my young core plus my 2 lotto's over yours anyday of the week...
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 22, 2007 17:55:55 GMT -5
I'd take my young core plus my 2 lotto's over yours anyday of the week... I bet you would but I wouldn't. We tore our teams apart at the same time and I had a considerably better record last season and I have a better record this season for you think your team is better is laughable not to mention I didn't even have my first last season. Have fun with Bargnani he's really good! Totally worth the max! You're right Mark was a sucker for getting rid of him. Mark you suck! I'd also give Peja minutes over Gerald Henderson too, great move.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 18:02:40 GMT -5
Krup, your young core is not better than mine, don't kid yourself.
You have a better record now? Good! I actually want to lose to gain a lottery pick. Lol, thanks.
Not my fault you decided to rebuild in a year where you didn't have your first.
Bargnani was a great signing until his latest TC, it was just bad luck. Still, he is a good player.
Nice try mate, let me know when your franchise player isn't an over achieveing 22nd first roud pick.
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 22, 2007 18:21:25 GMT -5
your argument is flawed as you try and diminish Billy Walker's talent due to the fact he was a late first round pick when you credit your core who consists of Louis Williams who was picked 16th overall which to me doesn't matter. I am confident in saying my team is much more complete and well rounded not to mention much more potential and flexibility. I wish you the best though but don't make it a competition ask Haberman last time someone got into one with me.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 18:38:23 GMT -5
OMG what did you do, hit them?
Btw for future reference, 16 is actually before 22. Also, Koufus and Batum are also in that 'core'.
Thanks.
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 22, 2007 19:07:57 GMT -5
OMG what did you do, hit them? Btw for future reference, 16 is actually before 22. Also, Koufus and Batum are also in that 'core'. Thanks. My point was they were both non lotto picks. If you want to compare cores I have Brewer, Conley, Arthur, Noah, Lawal, Wright....Like I said I'm more well rounded and complete. I'm not taking a shot at your core because its good but you aren't nor will you be the better team
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 20:03:19 GMT -5
Talking about shit TC's, Darrell Arthur....
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Post by aaronjh on Nov 22, 2007 20:21:07 GMT -5
True character? You're such a tool. Yes, well I actually thought he was decent, one of the few who I enjoyed on the boards. And he did nothing to disprove that, other than proving you were completely wrong.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2007 20:47:31 GMT -5
Mark, it was an honest question which you took way to far. Your team is in the same state it was when you received as it is in now. Also, it's great to see your true character come to the fore. I knew it was an honest question, but I didn't like the initial 'motivation' comment. How is my team in the same state as it was when I received it? Explain that to me. Do you have any idea how much better shape it is in? Do you not see that? Really? How badly did you want Sidney? Jesus. As for my character, how did it "come to the fore"? Because I completely disproved you? Explain that as well. You're pretty off on this James.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2007 20:51:33 GMT -5
One more thing before I go out.
"Your team is in the same state it was when you received as it is in now."
What does this imply? Because I'm winning the same amount of games? With that thinking, what the hell have you done? You can't look at your team as a successful situation, and my team as the same state it was in originally. It doesn't work both ways.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 21:13:33 GMT -5
Same state as in they would be in the same position now if you didn't manage them in terms of direction/wins although you have improved them.
And mate, you did not disprove me at all. Read over what you said to a simple question, maybe you'll understand then.
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 22, 2007 21:16:52 GMT -5
Talking about shit TC's, Darrell Arthur.... Damn right but his stats have been nice so he was most likely a low B+ and went to a high B. I bought low and if he doesn't improve at all I'm fine with that but I think there is some upside still
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 21:23:22 GMT -5
I agree with you, but Bargnani is the same as Arthur though...
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Post by KruPaxson on Nov 22, 2007 21:34:10 GMT -5
I agree with you, but Bargnani is the same as Arthur though... If Bargs can get better offensively maybe but right now he is just an overpaid bench player in my eyes. He makes about 10 more mil than Arthur and he just sucks defensively. He is one of those tweener players that will never settle into a position defensively. He isn't a good enough rebounder or defender to play the 4 and he is gets torched by opposing 3's. He is a super sub with a max deal something I want no part of.
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Post by James on Nov 22, 2007 21:45:19 GMT -5
He would average 24 if I had him as my first option...
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