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Post by garf2000 on Dec 12, 2006 17:08:16 GMT -5
if you're the clips do you consider moving livingston in a deal for ai?
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Post by garf2000 on Dec 12, 2006 17:08:53 GMT -5
Lakers I hear is trying to get in bcoz of the Kings, does anyone have a espn in password. I want to read the rumours from the Lakers. phil jackson is just messing with the media as usual.
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 12, 2006 18:08:41 GMT -5
I think whoever trades for him will regret it. He isnt and never has been a true PG. Add that to his age,contract and attitude and I think you are asking for trouble. I hope the Mavs dont trade for him. Mavs dont need him.
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Post by GP on Dec 12, 2006 18:17:48 GMT -5
i would do cassell, maggette, rebraca + 1st for iverson but i dont think livingston will go anyway.
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2006 18:30:49 GMT -5
I think whoever trades for him will regret it. He isnt and never has been a true PG. Add that to his age,contract and attitude and I think you are asking for trouble. I hope the Mavs dont trade for him. Mavs dont need him. His attitude? Sure, he likes to do things his way, but with the exception of his young years, he has never really been detrimental to his team. He wants to win... he doesn't like to lose. He plays 100 and 10 percent every single game, I don't see any player take hits like he does, and come back night after night putting up 30+ppg. Anyone who wants Allen Iverson would be stupid to bring him in to be their leading PG. Sure he's getting up there in age, but based on his performance so far this season, there's no signs of slowing down. For his sake, he needs to get on a winning team ala Karl Malone. I don't care, there's no team out there that wouldn't love landing Iverson. He's a gamebreaker, plays hard on both sides of the ball, and only complains when his team is losing, which is fine by my standards.
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Post by garf2000 on Dec 12, 2006 18:43:20 GMT -5
I think whoever trades for him will regret it. He isnt and never has been a true PG. Add that to his age,contract and attitude and I think you are asking for trouble. I hope the Mavs dont trade for him. Mavs dont need him. He plays 100 and 10 percent every single game, 100 and 10 % or 110%?
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Post by gmgreggor on Dec 12, 2006 19:22:05 GMT -5
I'm not talking about his competitiveness. I'm talking about his overall selfishness taking shots and not passing. He's had numerous clashes with other players and coaches over that.
And one other thing, to compare him to Karl Malone isnt really apples to apples. Big men generally last much longer before losing their skills than G's and SF's who depend on their quickness much more. Big guys are still big even when they slow down.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 12, 2006 21:31:48 GMT -5
AI has no one to pass to. Hasnt really ever had anyone to pass to. If I were him, and I could score like him, Id shoot all the time also.
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Post by garf2000 on Dec 12, 2006 21:47:39 GMT -5
would you deal monta in a deal for ai?
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Post by duce on Dec 12, 2006 22:39:42 GMT -5
AI has no one to pass to. Hasnt really ever had anyone to pass to. If I were him, and I could score like him, Id shoot all the time also. yep, and to add to that, Chris Webber is more selfish than Iverson imo. he's been drastically regressed since his final 1.5-2 years with Sacramento and he still thinks he's the same guy for some reason, least his actions would say he does.
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Post by JDawg on Dec 12, 2006 22:49:26 GMT -5
Minnesota would be best for NBA (KG finally would have a stud amongst him), but on a trade basis, Golden State probably has the most young guns to trade.
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Post by KruPaxson on Dec 12, 2006 22:53:21 GMT -5
Minnesota would be best for NBA (KG finally would have a stud amongst him), but on a trade basis, Golden State probably has the most young guns to trade. and he doesn't even know spence is a warriors fan...gotta love it
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Post by The X-Factor on Dec 12, 2006 23:01:43 GMT -5
I'm not talking about his competitiveness. I'm talking about his overall selfishness taking shots and not passing. He's had numerous clashes with other players and coaches over that. And one other thing, to compare him to Karl Malone isnt really apples to apples. Big men generally last much longer before losing their skills than G's and SF's who depend on their quickness much more. Big guys are still big even when they slow down. Like Spence says, he has had no one to pass to. Considering no one considers AI to be a true PG, 6.1 APG career average is solid for a non-PG. Averaging over 7APG the past 3 seasons. I do remember clashes with Larry Brown and such, but never with another player. From what I've heard, he gets along just fine with all his teammates with the exception of maybe Chris Webber. I didn't compare Allen Iverson to Karl Malone in terms of ability, or when he will or will not fall off. I compared him to Karl Malone in the sense that AI needs to go to a contender, just like Karl Malone did.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 13, 2006 1:20:34 GMT -5
would you deal monta in a deal for ai? Id deal JRich before I dealt Monta.
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Post by Lumley316 on Dec 13, 2006 4:35:51 GMT -5
Read online that the Warriors actually either tried to deal Davis plus or the 76ers asked for him to land AI. Also the Clippers dont want to part with Livingston offering a package of Maggette, Cassell, Rebraca and a 1st for him. I heard that Dunleavy doesnt like AI much at all.
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Post by Lumley316 on Dec 13, 2006 4:37:03 GMT -5
Mavs Cuban was interviewed and said 76ers asked for way to much and his coaches said no to it, Kings Maloofs brothers said they out of it too, also thinking the asking price is way to much for AI.
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Post by aaron2344 on Dec 13, 2006 14:15:45 GMT -5
Saw this on RealGM....
Baron/Biedrins/Third Player for AI??? Don't like it for GS. Mullin should build around Biedrins/Monta, not deal one away for a 31 year old player.
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Post by Lumley316 on Dec 13, 2006 15:10:04 GMT -5
Pacers and Nuggets seem to be the top teams at this point.
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Post by GP on Dec 13, 2006 19:29:24 GMT -5
just heard from Steven A Smith the news of a possible 3 way...Clippers would send Livingston, Maggette to Philly, Kings would recieve AI from Philly, and Kings would send Bibby to LA. Im not sure why the Clips would do this since that price is too high for a player like Bibby and we need Iverson's scoring more. Also, I hear Miami is getting closer to getting a deal done as well.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 13, 2006 19:31:46 GMT -5
The drama builds.
Bibby for Maggette and Livingston seems like a bad deal for the Clipps.
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Post by GP on Dec 13, 2006 19:39:01 GMT -5
I think the Warriors have the pieces to get AI too, but I dont think they want to deal Monta. Im guessing Philly wants Monta + Pietrus + fillers and maybe a 1st.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 13, 2006 19:42:56 GMT -5
I think the Warriors have the pieces to get AI too, but I dont think they want to deal Monta. Im guessing Philly wants Monta + Pietrus + fillers and maybe a 1st. Id do JRich and Murphy for AI. Id probably even add Diogu or Pietrus. Warriors would still have.... Biedrins-Foyle-POB Barnes-Diogu Dunleavy-Zarko AI-Ellis Baron-McLeod Be a little thin at SF if we lost JRich and Pietrus, but I love the possibilities a AI, Davis, Ellis backcourt would bring.
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Post by Lumley316 on Dec 14, 2006 4:34:50 GMT -5
Also heard on the way home Clips trying to get him without giving up Livingston. Big thing was Riley saying his Heat trying to work something out for AI too. Damn Iverson, Wade and Shaq fuck that shit.
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Post by ok on Dec 14, 2006 10:27:26 GMT -5
i don't think Philly wants any part of NY. why would you want marbury francis in any deal. Unless you are gettin a david lee frye and nate robinson along with a draft pick, which would be stupid to do for NY. Ok with Atlanta, why trade the young guns for AI, their nowhere near competing, they need to re-build as we saw last night against the lowly knicks. Minnesota i feel would be best for the nba, but it seems GS has a lot of players to deal. True AI and KG would make the Minnesota twolves ten times better. I think if that doesn't happen KG should demand a trade, he has been loyal long enough, he is surrounded by crappy players. I have been hearing that boston is a big contender but why would philly want to trade with an intra-division team, just my take, but if they got the right package they'd likely do it, like an al jefferson delonte west and gomes with draft picks package. I hope for all purposes he goes west. I don't want boston improving at all lol. But thats just my take guys. I just hope it happens soon so I don't have to hear about it anymore. PHILLY is so bad lol.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 14, 2006 13:00:30 GMT -5
Now the frontrunners are the Nuggs. Offering a package of Smith and Nene, with nene going to Portland for Magloire. If the 6ers get the straight expiring package of Smith and Magloire for AI they will lose about 50% of their fans just on principle.
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